TheTigerMaster
Superstar
If this was their concern, they would’ve gotten FWLRT under construction on time, rather than delaying it over and over and over again.
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If this was their concern, they would’ve gotten FWLRT under construction on time, rather than delaying it over and over and over again.
crs1026
Superstar
The "new leadership" at ML is definitely being seen by insiders as a different regime with a different, more demanding set of expectations.
Whether that transition originated at the political level, or whether it's simply a sign that the new leadership are good hires could be debated ad nauseum.
The risk of an organization becoming a political punching bag (Hydro 2000-2010ish is a good example) is that the pols and the media get in the habit of slagging the company, and continue to do so long after a better management team takes hold and turnaround results are starting to happen. It's possible that ML's own Board saw the need to "bolt down the hatches" before they became a political lightning rod. You can only do so much to bury the old skeletons but you can show you have a turnaround plan and are pulling up your socks.
The Tories really haven't latched on to ML in their platform as the next Ontario Hydro needing to be cleaned up. There may not be gas-plant level scandal at ML, (yet), but there are plenty of dumb decisions and badly concluded projects which a political party certainly could use to build a case that ML is badly run and an example of Wynne's "non-performance". The Tories don't seem to be biting. I interpret that as the Tories planning to 'stay the course' rather than pointing to ML as something where they will kick butt.
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Sandpit
Active Member
But Rob Ford
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Wait till sound planning clash with the priorities of a potential PC government. They, like their peers, have a long history of politicizing transit planning. I mean heck, they appointed a dentist to head GO during their tenure, no?
AoD
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
We know these things are political appointments.
Bruce McCuaig is now heading the Morneau's Infrastructure Bank of Canada.
Bruce McCuaig is now heading the Morneau's Infrastructure Bank of Canada.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Of course they are. Which is why I am popping the only one party is political about transit balloon right now.
Oh and I meant Gordon C - but of course Bruce M is just as meh.
AoD
narduch
Senior Member
How is that any different than the current Liberal party being a full on supporter of the Scarborough Subway Extension.
Everybody tries to act like the Liberals are the best party if you are a transit booster.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
See - https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...ronto-design-phase.2975/page-881#post-1295747
Not that I am particularly fond of Liberals on this particular file, but they have more to show for it than 8 years of PC rule or the recession NDP (talk much, did little).
AoD
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
Because they are.
It is just unfortunately not a very high standard to meet, and the way they do it (like fireselling of assets such as hydro) is uninspiring.
dowlingm
Senior Member
Ultimately the additional money paid out to Alstom makes sense if there are additional orders for Metrolinx-spec LRVs for further expansion. Having two manufacturers in Ontario (three manufacturing sites) is a good thing - but only if additional Ontario/out of province orders keep the lines ticking over so that as GTA projects wrap up that "next phase" cars can be acquired.
If a light rail line is built on Jane between Steeles-Pioneer Village subway and Eglinton Crosstown, you could see such a line serviced in part by Flexity and in part by Citadis (though maybe to different length/cab config to their Finch and Crosstown brethren). We are building to standards, and should be able to take advantage of that.
If a light rail line is built on Jane between Steeles-Pioneer Village subway and Eglinton Crosstown, you could see such a line serviced in part by Flexity and in part by Citadis (though maybe to different length/cab config to their Finch and Crosstown brethren). We are building to standards, and should be able to take advantage of that.
BurlOak
Senior Member
If you compare 8 years of PC rule - which resulted in a Sheppard line, and the 14 years of Liberal rule with a York Region Spadina extension and an Eglinton line - you have to give a strong advantage to the Liberals - by a factor of 2 or 3.
If you compare 10 years of Harper with then record amounts for transit to the 12 years of Chretien/Martin rule, you would give a very strong advantage to the Conservatives - maybe by a factor of 40 or more.
It's likely that in the mid 1990's to early 2000's, the price of oil was much lower (letting more people drive) and the 1990's recession caused transit ridership to drop and not recover even by the mid 2000's. There were concerns ridership would not recover.
micheal_can
Senior Member
You need to separate federal parties and provincial parties. Federal Liberals are not Provincial Liberals. We no longer have a Federal PC party.
Amare
Senior Member
Different name, but dont get it mistaken they are the exact same party. Conservatives have changed their names countless times both federally and provincially.
adrianaliu
Active Member
this isnt the usa where the state and federal parties are affiliated via a national committee, parties of the same or similar name in different provinces or at the federal level are not nessecarily the same thing
nfitz
Superstar
True. Heck. In both BC and Quebec historically the provincial Liberal parties tend to be federal PCs, and vice-versa. Former PC leader Charest for example the Liberal Premier of Quebec.
(Which always made wonder about how a supposed right-wing Quebec Liberal like Mulclair ended up the federal NDP leader)
(The NDP is the exception. Provincial and federal are the same party - not sure about Quebec where the NDP had tried to shut down it's provincial branch, which was dominated by former FLQ members).
(Which always made wonder about how a supposed right-wing Quebec Liberal like Mulclair ended up the federal NDP leader)
(The NDP is the exception. Provincial and federal are the same party - not sure about Quebec where the NDP had tried to shut down it's provincial branch, which was dominated by former FLQ members).