[nfitz]

Thing is it still would not be as bad as the gas plants. I remember when del duca was parading around the Alston purchase in bombariders face as a result of the delays. We'll see when the budget comes.

Given that all three parties promised to cancel the gas plants in that election, I'd think the fall-out would be far worse.

The gas plant issue wasn't the cancellation decision (as the costs would have been a bit higher if the NDP or PCs had done it, given the extra amount of time that would have elapsed, as they couldn't have done it as early). The gas plant issue was to do with staff in the Premier's office destroying files. Given the sudden, and originally inexplicable, resignation of the Premier, my guess is that when he found out what his staff had done, he quit. Shame that neither the current provincial or federal Premier/PM don't have the same moral standards.

 

[MetroMan]

The intial plan as seen in this 2009 paper was for the full finch line to yonge.

Transit City full speed ahead

They have talked about it. They have even advertised it on billboards.

www.thestar.com

After Dalton McGuinty cancelled transit funding in March of 2010 the project was scaled back to just Keele and Westward to Humber, with the "Phase 2" of the line (Keele to Yonge) deferred indefinitely into the future.

Transit City: Half a Loaf? (Update 4)

Today, May 17, 2010, Metrolinx CEO Rob Prichard addressed the Toronto Board of Trade with an overview of plans for Transit City projects. The presentation slides are available on the Metrolinx web…

stevemunro.ca

It’s actually better if it doesn’t go to Yonge for the time being. The Yonge line is overcapacity and doesn’t need more people pouring on to it at Finch. Once the Finch LRT has been started, extending it in the future is going to be far easier than starting a new line from scratch. That can happen after the Relief Line is in place.

 

[BurlOak]

It’s actually better if it doesn’t go to Yonge for the time being. The Yonge line is overcapacity and doesn’t need more people pouring on to it at Finch. Once the Finch LRT has been started, extending it in the future is going to be far easier than starting a new line from scratch. That can happen after the Relief Line is in place.

I think that explains the sheer idiocy of Transit City. If all the Transit City projects were done - then all passengers would still have to take YUS or BD, with transfer at Y-B. Zero extra capacity either within, or leading to, the entire downtown core.

 

[Steve X]

you guys are aware that they can still cancel it and just use the alstom trains for the crosstown right?

also, if it does get canceled chalk another one up to the liberals and their malaise. this should have been open in 2013!

ML will be on the hook for all the engineering design and prototyping that went into one of the types of trains and the line. That is definitely more the savings from scaling down the Hurontario LRT. There won't be much public support since the community wants the line oppose to that gas plant generator. At least the people were happy that plant got canceled.

 

[sixrings]

I think that explains the sheer idiocy of Transit City. If all the Transit City projects were done - then all passengers would still have to take YUS or BD, with transfer at Y-B. Zero extra capacity either within, or leading to, the entire downtown core.

That explains the whole idiocy of arguing in circles. If we had accepted and supported the transit city plan to begin with we would have had a Sheppard lrt, finch, set conversion and eglinton coming to completion soon. Then we would have moved on to the drl. Now instead we are just starting finch, Sheppard is deferred, srt conversion is still up in the air, and eglinton is the one project coming to completion. I don’t exactly get what we won by fighting transit city so hard. We have less transit and all we did was encourage silly debates which go in circles.

 

[crs1026]

I think that explains the sheer idiocy of Transit City. If all the Transit City projects were done - then all passengers would still have to take YUS or BD, with transfer at Y-B. Zero extra capacity either within, or leading to, the entire downtown core.

Transit City was premised on wanting to say that everyone in the city was within x meters of higher order transit. Whether it met anyones’ needs was not a priority. It was pretty close to Leninist socialism..... everyone gets exactly the same thing, even if everyone gets mediocrity as a result.
The reality is that to serve high demand destinations,, there must be trunk lines, ie subway volume lines, and trunk lines may confer an advantage on those lucky enough to live nearby. There will be winners and losers, not because thats a good thing, but because that’s the price of everyone wanting to travel to a single place at the same time.
I still believe there is need for a fairly fast seamless line crossing the top of the city. The Davis era ALRT across the Hydro corridor idea was ahead of its time, IMHO, far superior to TC. Thanks to all the bad decisions, now we have to cobble together something out of a stub end LRT on Finch, a too short subway on Sheppard, and whatever can be agreed on to the east. Personally I would like to see the Sheppard subway extended at both ends, but maybe LRT all the way across Finch to Malvern is what we can better afford. But the RL is non negotiable.

- Paul

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

Transit City is a good example of a project that has been kicked around way too much

 

[Steve X]

TC network versus trunk line subways is to spread them out or put all the eggs in one basket. Honestly I would love to smash that basket of egg sometimes. SRT conversion vs the Scarborough subway is a good comparison.

 

[BurlOak]

TC network versus trunk line subways is to spread them out or put all the eggs in one basket. Honestly I would love to smash that basket of egg sometimes. SRT conversion vs the Scarborough subway is a good comparison.

If you don't want to put all your eggs in one basket - then put only 1 egg in each basket.
Let's cancel all these streetcars and go with 1 passenger per vehicle automobiles. That's the ultimate in diversity.

 

[adrianaliu]

transit city was also rlly one size fits all. imagine if brt had been considered for sheppard and finch. they would be done quicker and at a lower cost, and in the case of finch, could take advantage of the hydro corridor to rival the bd subway in terms of speed, with eventual conversion to lrt in mind. but these are the exact endless debates which delay transit development for years.

 

[Islington Express Bus]

It was pretty close to Leninist socialism..... everyone gets exactly the same thing, even if everyone gets mediocrity as a result.

The Politics Understander has logged on.

transit city was also rlly one size fits all

Everyone seems to forget the BRT components of Transit City, as well as the SRT extension it included.

 

[adrianaliu]

The Politics Understander has logged on.

Everyone seems to forget the BRT components of Transit City, as well as the SRT extension it included.

yeah no question but the focus of it was lrt for sure. lrt was even reccomended for don mills south or the relief line. the brt components in total only added to a few kms if anything

 

[TheTigerMaster]

Transit City was premised on wanting to say that everyone in the city was within x meters of higher order transit. Whether it met anyones’ needs was not a priority. It was pretty close to Leninist socialism..... everyone gets exactly the same thing, even if everyone gets mediocrity as a result.

I'm sorry, did Transit City propose to get rid of subways and the other modes of transit in the city? Are all future transit proposals to include all modes of transit, to avoid promotion of Leninist socialism? This is a pretty bizarre concern to have.

Also, the Transit City Bus Plan was a major component of Transit City. The LRTs get all the attention though because they're big ticket items.

Beyond that, Transit City included 10 km of underground subway, an extension of the Scarborough Rapid Transit Line, and TYSSE was also advanced at the same time.

 

[TheTigerMaster]

yeah no question but the focus of it was lrt for sure. lrt was even reccomended for don mills south or the relief line. the brt components in total only added to a few kms if anything

The Transit City Bus Plan did a lot more than add a few KMs of BRT. I suggest looking it up and reading the Bus Plan, because it included a lot of proposals that would dramatically improve bus service across the city

 

[BurlOak]

I'm sorry, did Transit City propose to get rid of subways and the other modes of transit in the city? Are all future transit proposals to include all modes of transit, to avoid promotion of Leninist socialism? This is a pretty bizarre concern to have.

Also, the Transit City Bus Plan was a major component of Transit City. The LRTs get all the attention though because they're big ticket items.

Beyond that, Transit City included 10 km of underground subway, an extension of the Scarborough Rapid Transit Line, and TYSSE was also advanced at the same time.

Transit City had ZERO subways being built. (Spadina extension was a different project).