[crs1026]

^I take the Hurontario announcement as good news, actually. Yes Ford may have forced some cuts, but having extracted his quantum of reduction, the project has a green light to proceed, and now it’s his deliverable to get done.

I’m sure he would have preferred to cancel Finch, but the ghost of the gas plant scandals is still floating around the Legislature. I bet the cancellation penalties in the Finch contract were carefully crafted to prevent any cancellation.

- Paul

 

[Islington Express Bus]

However, what can you scale back on Finch West LRT?

The scaling back already happened. This line was supposed to go all the way to Yonge initially.

 

[BurlOak]

^I take the Hurontario announcement as good news, actually. Yes Ford may have forced some cuts, but having extracted his quantum of reduction, the project has a green light to proceed, and now it’s his deliverable to get done.

I’m sure he would have preferred to cancel Finch, but the ghost of the gas plant scandals is still floating around the Legislature. I bet the cancellation penalties in the Finch contract were carefully crafted to prevent any cancellation.

- Paul

Gas plant was the government cancelling their own plans.
The PC's could cancel Eglinton LRT and it still wouldn't be a Gas plant scandal.
It's not advisable though.

 

[nfitz]

I came here after the Hurontario news expecting everyone to be in a down mood predicting Finch to get axed completely. I’m legitimately surprised that Ford isn’t killing every LRT in sight.

If the comments by a member over in the Hurontario are correct, and that this change has been known in inside circles since early 2018, it predates the Ford government. Though I too am surprised that they haven't simply spiked Hurontario, and it appears to be alive. Finch was always going to be harder to kill ... but it too lives.

 

[fiendishlibrarian]

The scaling back already happened. This line was supposed to go all the way to Yonge initially.

That happened under the Liberals.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

you guys are aware that they can still cancel it and just use the alstom trains for the crosstown right?

also, if it does get canceled chalk another one up to the liberals and their malaise. this should have been open in 2013!

 

[crs1026]

If the comments by a member over in the Hurontario are correct, and that this change has been known in inside circles since early 2018, it predates the Ford government. Though I too am surprised that they haven't simply spiked Hurontario, and it appears to be alive. Finch was always going to be harder to kill ... but it too lives.

I actually have more faith in these lines getting done now that the PC's have taken their best shot, swallowed hard, and blessed them - than under the Wynne Liberals when many things were promised but the total envelope was beyond anybody's serious belief.

What is really galling is ML's lack of transparency..... if there were affordability concerns a year ago, these ought to have been put on the record instead of hiding them for political reasons. I am so sick of the political veneer that all this decisionmaking is coated with, and the obfuscification/non-specificity of what has been launched and what is just a paper plan for a future decade. The candy shell is thicker than the meat underneath.

- Paul

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

I actually have more faith in these lines getting done now that the PC's have taken their best shot, swallowed hard, and blessed them - than under the Wynne Liberals when many things were promised but the total envelope was beyond anybody's serious belief.

What is really galling is ML's lack of transparency..... if there were affordability concerns a year ago, these ought to have been put on the record instead of hiding them for political reasons. I am so sick of the political veneer that all this decisionmaking is coated with, and the obfuscification/non-specificity of what has been launched and what is just a paper plan for a future decade. The candy shell is thicker than the meat underneath.

- Paul

The stunt they just pulled with Bombardier as an example of this.

 

[thettctransitfanatic]

The stunt they just pulled with Bombardier as an example of this.

The stunt they just pulled with Bombardier as an example of this.

Bombardier pulled a stunt. Metrolinx pulled back. That's what I call....

 

[W. K. Lis]

That happened under the Liberals.

At the insistence of Mayor Rob Ford and Councillor Doug Ford.

 

[robmausser]

At the insistence of Mayor Rob Ford and Councillor Doug Ford.

Nope, this happened before Rob took office

Miller outraged as budget sideswipes GTA transit

Toronto Mayor David Miller is denouncing the Ontario government’s budget move to postpone $4 billion in GTA transit expansion. Miller called the move disgraceful and thoughtless. Miller’s voice was quavering as he told reporters: “This is beyond short-sighted.”

www.thestar.com

The intial plan as seen in this 2009 paper was for the full finch line to yonge.

Transit City full speed ahead

They have talked about it. They have even advertised it on billboards.

www.thestar.com

After Dalton McGuinty cancelled transit funding in March of 2010 the project was scaled back to just Keele and Westward to Humber, with the "Phase 2" of the line (Keele to Yonge) deferred indefinitely into the future.

Transit City: Half a Loaf? (Update 4)

Today, May 17, 2010, Metrolinx CEO Rob Prichard addressed the Toronto Board of Trade with an overview of plans for Transit City projects. The presentation slides are available on the Metrolinx web…

stevemunro.ca

 

[nfitz]

you guys are aware that they can still cancel it and just use the alstom trains for the crosstown right?

Not without modifying the already-completed carhouse For Eglinton.

I'd think the bigger issue would be the $1-billion or so contact they've already signed to build the line as a PPP, rather than the fate of the 17 Alstom cars they are using for Finch West.

Sure, they can do it in theory ... but seems unlikely now, almost a year after the election. The under-construction stuff they wanted to kill, was announced within days.

 

[hw621]

Nope, this happened before Rob took office

Miller outraged as budget sideswipes GTA transit

Toronto Mayor David Miller is denouncing the Ontario government’s budget move to postpone $4 billion in GTA transit expansion. Miller called the move disgraceful and thoughtless. Miller’s voice was quavering as he told reporters: “This is beyond short-sighted.”

www.thestar.com

The intial plan as seen in this 2009 paper was for the full finch line to yonge.

Transit City full speed ahead

They have talked about it. They have even advertised it on billboards.

www.thestar.com

After Dalton McGuinty cancelled transit funding in March of 2010 the project was scaled back to just Keele and Westward to Humber, with the "Phase 2" of the line (Keele to Yonge) deferred indefinitely into the future.

Transit City: Half a Loaf? (Update 4)

Today, May 17, 2010, Metrolinx CEO Rob Prichard addressed the Toronto Board of Trade with an overview of plans for Transit City projects. The presentation slides are available on the Metrolinx web…

stevemunro.ca

So sad looking bad. A decade passed and we got nothing.

 

[robmausser]

So sad looking bad. A decade passed and we got nothing.

Chin up. Eglinton LRT is almost done, and it was the most ambitious of the projects.

Not Transit City related but we also got the UPX and Line 1 extension.

UPX is actually a godsend to the Weston neighborhood. people are using it like a subway line to get downtown.

Not as much as id like to have seen but hardly nothing.

 

[denfromoakvillemilton]

Not without modifying the already-completed carhouse For Eglinton.

I'd think the bigger issue would be the $1-billion or so contact they've already signed to build the line as a PPP, rather than the fate of the 17 Alstom cars they are using for Finch West.

Sure, they can do it in theory ... but seems unlikely now, almost a year after the election. The under-construction stuff they wanted to kill, was announced within days.

Thing is it still would not be as bad as the gas plants. I remember when del duca was parading around the Alston purchase in bombariders face as a result of the delays. We'll see when the budget comes.