SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Exactly. I‘m sure they will be fine for both Finch and Hurontario.
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Steve X
Senior Member
We will see when the start operating on Finch.
There are issues with the Ottawa trains such as incorrect material installed that can't withstand Canadian winters. This was an European tram design same as the Flexity's problem. Hopefully Alstom has figure out all those teething issues and not transfer the mistake here. Other problems such as track condition and overhead issues might exist if the consortium made the same mistakes as Ottawa. We won't have to worry about ATO issues.
We might see all the problem appear on the Crosstown as that is partially a light metro operating in similar situations as Ottawa. That is for the Crosstown thread.
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
The way the CBC breathlessly reported "pushing the limits" to me showed that there was a lot of smoke and little fire around this issue at the Ottawa enquiry, and not much real understanding of the technology. It amounts to stringing two - TWO! - four-section vehicles into a train and running them down a fully segregated track. So ground-breaking, no wonder there were problems. If there were design or build problems, or incompatibilities with the track, that has little to do with the basic conception of the system.
KevinT
Active Member
That finished looking track bed with just grooves where the rails should be is so weird. I've never seen track constructed that way before, although admittedly I haven't looked at all that much embedded track under construction either...
superelevation
Active Member
Except running tram trains every 3-4 minutes under CBTC on such a tight alignment and with high top speeds is indeed quite unconventional
kalis0490
New Member
Running a high floor 'tram' vehicle like a metro isn't new as this is what stadtbahns do. However running a low floor tram as a metro (in Canada) is new. I'd shift the blame on the O train's performance more on poor maintenance/weather but that is another story . .
generalcanada
Senior Member
do we know what the service levels will be for finch west? we still dont know for eglinton too
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
Agreed, sticking with low floor was the biggest error. I would love to hear the inside story of the arguments that must have taken place.
Edllguy
Active Member
Does anyone know the days and approximate times they test the Alstom LRT on the completed LRT tracks on Finch?
I would like to catch one of these track/equipment testing's live. Any weekend testing's?
Thanks
I would like to catch one of these track/equipment testing's live. Any weekend testing's?
Thanks
rbt
Senior Member
As with all TTC routes, service provided will depend on ridership, with a minimum service threshold. If it's not that way at the start, someone will eventually cut the excess service.
Looking at current Finch West bus schedules, it'll probably be around 5 to 7 minute frequencies during AM/PM rush and a minimum of 10 minute frequencies all day.
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Steve X
Senior Member
5.5 minutes is the best they can do based on the fact only 17 LRVs are ordered for the line. 3 of them would probably be spares/under maintenance at all times leaving with 14 which 7 on each direction.
They say it takes like 38 minutes to transverse the entire line (which I think should be closer to 30). That sets the line frequency to 5-6 minutes. 5 min if trip time is 35 min or 6 min if trip time is 42 min.
They say it takes like 38 minutes to transverse the entire line (which I think should be closer to 30). That sets the line frequency to 5-6 minutes. 5 min if trip time is 35 min or 6 min if trip time is 42 min.
TRONto
Active Member
"45. What will be the frequency of the train on and off-peak?
A total of 15 Light Rail Vehicles (LRV) will be operating during both morning and afternoon peak hours,
with 5 minutes in between trains (also known as "5- minute headway"). During off-peak hours, there
will be 7 to 10 minutes between trains, with 8 to 10 trains in operation."
" 46. What is the total travel time and average speed of the Line?
The average end-to-end travel time is approx. 33 to 34 minutes, with average travel speed of approx.
20 to 21 KM/H."
That's from Metrolinx FWIW
A total of 15 Light Rail Vehicles (LRV) will be operating during both morning and afternoon peak hours,
with 5 minutes in between trains (also known as "5- minute headway"). During off-peak hours, there
will be 7 to 10 minutes between trains, with 8 to 10 trains in operation."
" 46. What is the total travel time and average speed of the Line?
The average end-to-end travel time is approx. 33 to 34 minutes, with average travel speed of approx.
20 to 21 KM/H."
That's from Metrolinx FWIW
Steve X
Senior Member
What I’m concerned is such a small fleet could have operating constraints of they need to fix a major flaw or a crash puts one or more out of service for a extended period of time.
INTz
Active Member
Traction power – Taming 27,000 volts for the Finch West LRT - Metrolinx News
Eight out of nine traction power substations are now installed for the Finch West LRT. These facilities house electrical equipment for the line – but how do you safely work inside of one? Metrolinx News finds out. At various locations along the side of Finch Avenue West, you can find a traction...
blog.metrolinx.com
superelevation
Active Member
You seem to miss a bunch of the details here! The Ottawa trains are bigger than almost all German Stadtbahn trains, and 100% low floor (a decent number in Germany aren't) and need to be able to operate at high speeds so the design is less conventional. Stadtbahns also are almost never structured the way O Train Line 1 is. They have numerous branches pushing trains into a shorter central bit, that gives you a lot more flexibility than a single path (i.e. Metro) style of service.
There was a study released about this linked here: https://app06.ottawa.ca/calendar/ot...009/11-18/04-Rail System Study Document 1.pdf
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