[unrealestate]

is there technically any distinction between this and a ROW streetcar? its kind of weird that this is on the subway map but St Clair is streetcar

 

[ARG1]

is there technically any distinction between this and a ROW streetcar? its kind of weird that this is on the subway map but St Clair is streetcar

It runs coupled vehicles, uses a separate rolling stock and signalling system, and the trains themselves will be bidirectional. Beyond that, no not really.

 

[Amare]

It runs coupled vehicles, uses a separate rolling stock and signalling system, and the trains themselves will be bidirectional. Beyond that, no not really.

Finch West vehicles wont be coupled, but they will be on the Crosstown.

 

[blaixx]

is there technically any distinction between this and a ROW streetcar? its kind of weird that this is on the subway map but St Clair is streetcar

There are plenty of "technical" differences but in terms of less technical stuff that the average subway map reader would notice, I would say:

• No on-board fare payment on Finch West
• Wider stop spacing on Finch West (~600m compared to ~250m on St. Clair)

 

[ARG1]

There are plenty of "technical" differences but in terms of less technical stuff that the average subway map reader would notice, I would say:

• No on-board fare payment on Finch West
• Wider stop spacing on Finch West (~600m compared to ~250m on St. Clair)

I'd honestly have to object to that last point anyway. The lower stop spacing can be easily attributed to the fact that the streetcars operate in more open areas with higher densities. The subway effectively does the same thing, 600m stop spacing in denser areas, and 1-2km spacing in sprawling suburbs.

 

[rdaner]

^Would the government risk the backlash if it became known that the only reason for not opening was political? A FOI request would expose that.

 

[drum118]

Finch West vehicles wont be coupled, but they will be on the Crosstown.

At 42m compared to Crosstown 29m LRV's, CT needs 2 cars to get close to Finch capacity for one LRV. Finch LRV's that can be couple as a pairs like Hurontario LRV' are the same as the Ottawa cars. To add a second LRV will require platforms to be extended. and no simple matter to do.

Aug 8
With traffic signs saying it will take 30 minutes to get to the 400 by the 401 at Dixie and 20 minutes by 409, decided to check Finch out on my way to the east end.

Based on my trip from 27 to Finch West Station, the earliest I can see this line opening now is Oct-Dec or later based on TTC testing the line as too much out standing issues to be completed.

The CLC stated the line is 99.49% completed while I say 98.5%.

Road curbs being torn up and being rebuilt, milling of the lanes and intersections, overhead work taking place, work being done on platforms edges, lots of construction barriers around areas for sidewalk and other places, paving was taking place in the westbound lanes with traffic using the eastbound lane in both directions, Cycling lanes more miss than pave.

 

[Steve X]

is there technically any distinction between this and a ROW streetcar? its kind of weird that this is on the subway map but St Clair is streetcar

Yeah, the stops are further apart. Platforms are longer and higher with level boarding (over a foot instead of less than half a foot). You have to buy your fare first before boarding instead of walking on the streetcar and tapping when (or if) you feel like it. Terminals will have a crossover so they won't queue up like Spadina or Union. Other than that, it'll feel like a streetcar+ service.

With the amount of fare evasion, I am supportive of installing fare gates between this and the subway at Finch West Station. They should make it more difficult to dodge fares.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

^Would the government risk the backlash if it became known that the only reason for not opening was political? A FOI request would expose that.

Finch will use the same/shared batch of TTC drivers as the Crosstown. Those drivers are starting training mid-August. So technically Finch cannot yet open because there aren’t drivers trained for it yet.

 

[drum118]

Aug 8

 

[Aplus23]

The Finch LRT looks way better than the Crosstown LRT. Why wouldn't they just match both lines. It's a similar look to what they're doing to all the go stations. Might as well unify everything, as far as the above ground stations are concerned

 

[DatTranzitGuy]

The Finch LRT looks way better than the Crosstown LRT. Why wouldn't they just match both lines. It's a similar look to what they're doing to all the go stations. Might as well unify everything, as far as the above ground stations are concerned

Because one is orange and the other is silver /hj

 

[jmi22]

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You can clearly see the buses travelling faster than the LRV. That's at the intersection of John Garland & Finch. No stop/ station at that intersection.

This is the fundamental scam of LRT. Slower acceleration, slower decelaration, slower top speeds, slower turns, slower doors opening and closing.
Spent a an excrutiating 25 minutes waiting for the 511 at Exhibition Loop the other day, watching 509s inch past one another over switches and come to full stops at unused stop posts (why I dont know) while heading down the platform to their actual pick up location. Found myself at Kipling Station later the same day, watching buses swoop in and out of bays at speeds literally unfound on the streetcar network. Quite hilarious that the 'bad' busses are capable of operating at speeds and bay density that is simply impossible on the billion dollar streetcars.


P.S. Thought it was worth noting my 44 Kipling South bus showed up on time (as it does 95% of the time) despite not having any dedicated right of way that the 511 enjoys

 

[lead82]

The 511 does not enjoy a dedicated ROW for most of its route. The issue with slow downtown streetcar service is the TTc operator rules issued by the TTC. The streetcars could go faster if drivers were allowed to. Also, the TTc hampers operations by building way too many stops on streetcar lines. This causes slow service as these vehicles need to stop and accelerate too often. They should be used as higher capacity but for some reason the TTC doesn’t know how to operate them downtown in that way. Somehow other cities with trams have figured this out but not the TTC.

 

[turbanplanner]

This is the fundamental scam of LRT. Slower acceleration, slower decelaration, slower top speeds, slower turns, slower doors opening and closing.
Spent a an excrutiating 25 minutes waiting for the 511 at Exhibition Loop the other day, watching 509s inch past one another over switches and come to full stops at unused stop posts (why I dont know) while heading down the platform to their actual pick up location. Found myself at Kipling Station later the same day, watching buses swoop in and out of bays at speeds literally unfound on the streetcar network. Quite hilarious that the 'bad' busses are capable of operating at speeds and bay density that is simply impossible on the billion dollar streetcars.


P.S. Thought it was worth noting my 44 Kipling South bus showed up on time (as it does 95% of the time) despite not having any dedicated right of way that the 511 enjoys

I remember driving across the entire st Clair row with 10 min service, didn't see a single car heading eastbound despite having a row…