generalcanada
Senior Member
Yea i get it, its just hilarious thats all. like you know all that and you choose the stuff that leaves people wanting more
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BrenWilson
Active Member
Wish I knew more but my involvement is very limited to roadworks so I can only observe of the trains what I see when I am out there. This is definitely a downside of the P3 model, there are legal and commercial issues with information sharing and given that the labour pool is shared between the same firms doing work on quite a number of Mx projects I can understand that no one wants to put their work at jepordy by oversharing.
generalcanada
Senior Member
Counterpoint is that the only models that have been tested and failed the last few years are the old type of p3's. Where all risk is transferred to the partner.
Now its things like "developmental phase" and "alliance model" like we see with the USEP
BrenWilson
Active Member
Amusingly I am also on one of those and it certainly won't improve the transparency aspect. The risk is lowered because the project it broken into smaller projects, though there is now the added risk of coordination between the contracts and anyone of them can still hold up the project in the end. I would like to see Mx take over more of these projects instead of consultants, they certainly have the expertise now and if they don't - well the consultants are hiring mostly from the same labour pool.
grammin
Active Member
Haha, interesting use of words to relate to Crosstown! Well played!
smallspy
Senior Member
Because the people within Metrolinx providing the oversight don't understand large construction projects and material tolerances, and think that everything needs to match the blueprints/diagrams to the millimeter.
Dan
cplchanb
Senior Member
sigh... the ones who show up on site with brand new safety boots and shiny white helmets.
bono47
New Member
how many more TINY incremental steps can they announce before we get an official date?!?
Tuscani01
Senior Member
"Crews have individually cleaned all streetlights along the route to ensure they are shining bright for the eventual opening of Line 6"
BrenWilson
Active Member
They've been doing this for weeks and most of them were already done. The cycletracks have seen the most pavement marking work lately.
yurt2022
New Member
I think this has to do more with the TTC than Metrolinx (regarding the ECLRT situation as well). The lawsuits accuse the TTC of making unreasonable requests to repair "deficiencies" across every inch of the entire line, and Metrolinx just goes along with it because they don't have any internal experts themselves that know about light rail.
smallspy
Senior Member
The issues with the TTC stem from the fact that they've been inserted into an agreement that was originally just between Metrolinx and the respective constructor. Chalk that up to poor contract design.
I can assure you that the TTC doesn't care if a sidewalk is a couple of millimeters too high or too low. And if a rail is 1 millimeter too close to the other. They've been operating rail transit for over 100 years, they understand how the tolerances work.
Dan
Northern Light
Superstar
I'm not sure how long you've been lurking (reading UT) before joining......... but just to give you an open head's up......... @smallspy is one of UT's top transit experts.
He has a level of knowledge and insight few of us could hope to match.
That doesn't mean he's never been wrong, LOL, but its really quite rare.
If you don't have solid evidence contradicting his statements, I would tend to defer to him on the matter of public transit in Toronto.
UrbanAffair
Senior Member
Agreed. I always look for smallspy posts in the transit section of this site. It's great to hear from experts...frankly on any topic.
(Especially in the era of RFK as "health secretary", and Matt Gaetz as f**king AG. Stuff is going get weird, wrong, and dangerous quickly.)
(Especially in the era of RFK as "health secretary", and Matt Gaetz as f**king AG. Stuff is going get weird, wrong, and dangerous quickly.)
BrenWilson
Active Member
I'll have to read up on the contracts I have access to, I would be suprised if the TTC isn't mentioned as an important stakeholder. I'm not privy to the details of the lawsuit though so its probably something I'm not thinking of.