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robmausser
Senior Member
Good.
I want to see as many stations as possible crammed on the GO network.
RER can service all of these, and bilevels will continue on the current station layout, or even a more express service, missing all of the downtown stations entirely.
crs1026
Superstar
If GO goes ahead with the 4th track to Port Credit, there is a credible zone to start RER with new stops east of Port Credit, while letting express trains rip through without stopping east of there. After that, it wouldn't take much to extend to Clarkson, and then on to Oakville.
- Paul
- Paul
Filip
Senior Member
As expected, the Mimico community is engaging and fighting against Park Lawn as it'll mean the death knell of Mimico.
Apparently, Park Lawn is a 2 min walk from Mimico so the condo folks should walk. That is if they can fly.
Apparently, Park Lawn is a 2 min walk from Mimico so the condo folks should walk. That is if they can fly.
nfitz
Superstar
Even if they put an entrance off Algoma, rather than having to walk up to the Gardiner service road to cross the river, it still looks like a good 15-minute walk.
Markster
Senior Member
Meanwhile plenty of other cities worldwide somehow manage to have stations 1.3km apart without issues.
Filip
Senior Member
Agreed - but Metrolinx won't quite see it that way. I will go one step further and say a well-positioned station straddling Legion/Harbourview and Park Lawn eliminates the need for Mimico as it will serve both neighbourhoods well.
The comments on the petition are bang on. The knuckleheads at Metrolinx wouldn't be able to figure this one out if it got up and sat on their head.
The concentration of density in the south Etobicoke condominiums without appropriate consideration for improved transportation infrastructure is one of the top three planning blunders currently imposed on city residents. At the same time, the anachronistic Mimico Go station serves exclusively a tiny residential neighbourhood with a few dozen parking spaces and feeder transit that's laughable in its inadaquacy. This leaves South Etobicoke residents along the Lakeshore, Queensway and Park Lawn, as well as in the condos, crammed into irregularly scheduled, overcrowded streetcars that waddle down Queen or King or sitting stopped on their own neighbourhood streets in traffic exacerbated by the pathetic highway reconstruction project on the Gardiner.
To put a Go station at Park Lawn to reduce congestion is a solution so obvious that to even question it shows a profound lack of judgement.
The comments on the petition are bang on. The knuckleheads at Metrolinx wouldn't be able to figure this one out if it got up and sat on their head.
The concentration of density in the south Etobicoke condominiums without appropriate consideration for improved transportation infrastructure is one of the top three planning blunders currently imposed on city residents. At the same time, the anachronistic Mimico Go station serves exclusively a tiny residential neighbourhood with a few dozen parking spaces and feeder transit that's laughable in its inadaquacy. This leaves South Etobicoke residents along the Lakeshore, Queensway and Park Lawn, as well as in the condos, crammed into irregularly scheduled, overcrowded streetcars that waddle down Queen or King or sitting stopped on their own neighbourhood streets in traffic exacerbated by the pathetic highway reconstruction project on the Gardiner.
To put a Go station at Park Lawn to reduce congestion is a solution so obvious that to even question it shows a profound lack of judgement.
crs1026
Superstar
The City is doing a study on the area on the north side of the current Mimico station to see if it can be jumpstarted into development. Included is a proposal to convert industrial lands to mixed use - that's rather controversial. There is a developer's proposal to put townhomes on the south side of Judson west of Royal York, which has to be one of the most irresponsible ideas I have ever heard of, considering the proximity to Willowbrook. Meanwhile the condo project on the east side of RY remains a hole, reportedly because soil contamination is worse than expected. So the area's planning is up in the air. New proponents for keeping the old station may emerge. Both of the Councillors involved are pretty close with developers and It will be interesting to see where they stand when the games begin.
- Paul
- Paul
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mdrejhon
Senior Member
For those vocal about needing Park Lawn GO, it's useful to also post at MetrolinxEngage.com:
MetrolinxEngage.com: Public feedback on Park Lawn GO
One thing that absolutely MUST GO (pun...) is the very long nearly-150 meter pedestrian ghettotunnel between Park Lawn condos (narrow sidewalks next to streetcar tracks in cold, dark, winter, windy windtunnel for one-third of your walk between your Park Lawn condo and the TTC Humber loop).
Presenting....a Google Street View photo of your only Park Lawn pedestrian route to TTC Humber / Park Lawn GO (probably distorted the consultant's study). In better times, not in winter windtunnel mode.
(For context: see overhead view)
Nearly 150 meter depressing underground walk, interrupted only by tiny gaps of light like between the 403 directions and between 403/railroad. Now imagine winter time, during a windy windtunnel day. Oh boy. I know, I know. A friend lives in a condo at Park Lawn.
Dozens of Park Lawn condos, mere meters away from this mouth of tunnel to the location of Park Lawn GO.
No wonder a probable desk consultant doing transit statistics research, missed the ballpark on "Transit Potential: Low" and "Time Savings: Low" for Park Lawn GO. Whooo, that missed the ballpark. Throw in a fancy ped tunnel, and BOOM. The ballgame changes totally.
Metrolinx will need to integrate a new, indoor, heated pedestrian tunnel for Park Lawn GO+TTC.
With a big bleepingly attractive "TTC/GO" sign above the southern tunnel entrance, clearly visible to the Park Lawn condo towers.
Suddenly.... Park Lawn residents will feel much closer to the Park Lawn TTC/GO interchange station without needing to catch a 300 meter streetcar microhop to avoid walking the dreaded pedestrian windtunnel. And TTC (Humber Loop) will probably thank Metrolinx profusely for this higher-order pedestrian tunnel.
The overhead Google Earth view (https://goo.gl/bL2AJE) which shows how really close Humber Loop is to all the Park Lawn condos (rapidly increasing in numbers as we speak), only totally stymied by the totally unappealing, miserable and freezing ghetto pedestrian route in the tunnel. Problem solved, eliminates a streetcar transfer for many, ridership should boom.
Prescription: Build a separate indoor (with doors), brightly-lit, heated, high-order indoor pedestrian underpass under the 403, directly flowing into the station building of the combined Humber TTC + Park Lawn GO interchange station. You're essentially already inside the station the moment you walk in the tunnel entrance!
MetrolinxEngage.com: Public feedback on Park Lawn GO
One thing that absolutely MUST GO (pun...) is the very long nearly-150 meter pedestrian ghettotunnel between Park Lawn condos (narrow sidewalks next to streetcar tracks in cold, dark, winter, windy windtunnel for one-third of your walk between your Park Lawn condo and the TTC Humber loop).
Presenting....a Google Street View photo of your only Park Lawn pedestrian route to TTC Humber / Park Lawn GO (probably distorted the consultant's study). In better times, not in winter windtunnel mode.
(For context: see overhead view)
Nearly 150 meter depressing underground walk, interrupted only by tiny gaps of light like between the 403 directions and between 403/railroad. Now imagine winter time, during a windy windtunnel day. Oh boy. I know, I know. A friend lives in a condo at Park Lawn.
Dozens of Park Lawn condos, mere meters away from this mouth of tunnel to the location of Park Lawn GO.
No wonder a probable desk consultant doing transit statistics research, missed the ballpark on "Transit Potential: Low" and "Time Savings: Low" for Park Lawn GO. Whooo, that missed the ballpark. Throw in a fancy ped tunnel, and BOOM. The ballgame changes totally.
Metrolinx will need to integrate a new, indoor, heated pedestrian tunnel for Park Lawn GO+TTC.
With a big bleepingly attractive "TTC/GO" sign above the southern tunnel entrance, clearly visible to the Park Lawn condo towers.
Suddenly.... Park Lawn residents will feel much closer to the Park Lawn TTC/GO interchange station without needing to catch a 300 meter streetcar microhop to avoid walking the dreaded pedestrian windtunnel. And TTC (Humber Loop) will probably thank Metrolinx profusely for this higher-order pedestrian tunnel.
The overhead Google Earth view (https://goo.gl/bL2AJE) which shows how really close Humber Loop is to all the Park Lawn condos (rapidly increasing in numbers as we speak), only totally stymied by the totally unappealing, miserable and freezing ghetto pedestrian route in the tunnel. Problem solved, eliminates a streetcar transfer for many, ridership should boom.
Prescription: Build a separate indoor (with doors), brightly-lit, heated, high-order indoor pedestrian underpass under the 403, directly flowing into the station building of the combined Humber TTC + Park Lawn GO interchange station. You're essentially already inside the station the moment you walk in the tunnel entrance!
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TOareaFan
Superstar
it does make you wonder what carries the most weight? The petition set up by two politicians or the public feedback forum that Metrolinx set up? What is the point of the petition? Should those two politicians not just be encouraging their constituents to participate in the formal feedback process?
Filip
Senior Member
Both can't hurt, especially when the message is overwhelmingly similar on both.
salsa
Senior Member
So what? It doesn't mean that it makes sense to keep Mimico station.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
Filip
Senior Member
Milczyn has always been pro-Park Lawn GO. He even raised a motion in council (way back when) to relocate Mimico. That didn't go well with his council colleague.
Filip
Senior Member
This is very true (in regards to Humber Loop), but Park Lawn GO is meant to go quite a way west of there..
Currently, they're looking at having the station straddle Legion on the west side and Park Lawn on the east side. That way you serve both communities. Humber Loop is too far east.