crs1026
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It's the control point at the west end of the new siding, where the Fergus and Preston spurs connect to the Guelph Sub - between Alma and Silver Creek Parkway.
- Paul
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It's the control point at the west end of the new siding, where the Fergus and Preston spurs connect to the Guelph Sub - between Alma and Silver Creek Parkway.
- Paul
Allandale25
Senior Member
Thanks. I had to visualize this so here's a map excerpt.
In the 2009 EA referenced and linked above, it looked like this (the PDF has a crisper copy. I put two pages together).
vistaway
Active Member
SaugeenJunction
Senior Member
Great shots. Looks like its much more track-ready compared to the end of December.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Is the VIA platform under the same rules? Because if I'm not mistaken VIA trains travel a lot faster through this area.
Northern Light
Superstar
From the GO Transit/UP capital projects update, on the agenda of the next Mx meeting, we learn:
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urbancog
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No, the track serving the Via platform is one of the 2 mainline tracks of the Halton Subdivision. The speed limit will be set by the speed passenger trains are allowed to traverse the “ladder” of 4 switches at Silver, the junction W of the station where they cross to join the Guelph sub.
crs1026
Senior Member
Because the VIA routing never leaves the (signalled) main line, their trains receive signal indications that allow them to reach and depart from the south platform at higher speeds.
Trains routed into the GO platform pass through an unsignalled zone, meaning that the signals they pass before entry are more restrictive and the speed they are allowed through the entire zone is much lower.
- Paul
crs1026
Senior Member
That track layout tells the story. I'm guessing the end design will look different west of Guelph station.
The challenge for CN is where a freight train can lift or set off while GO trains are whizzing by every 15 minutes..... and how much paperwork they need to do their work every time they enter or leave signalled territory. At a minimum CN would need to be able to sit on the main line with enough headroom west of the Fergus spur to pull ahead (west) and then shove east (north) into the yard, while leaving some number of cars (ie the tail of a westbound freight) on the main line east of that switch.. Similarly CN would need to pull east and shove back down the G+G spur on the south side. Meanwhile ML may need both tracks to allow two or more Go or VIA trains to meet. The location and number of power switches and signals required, and potentially the need for service trackage on each side of the two main lines, gets complicated. And who pays for what ? I bet it's an interesting negotiation.
- Paul
Bordercollie
Senior Member
That's a huge bottle neck that could be easily double tracked.
urbancog
Active Member
There have been two, potentially important, announcements regarding construction for the Kitchener Line, west of Mount Pleasant recently:
And the "METROLINX VENDOR ENGAGEMENT For construction of the Guelph Subdivision Construction Packages 2 and 4 – Kitchener Extension Program" released on Merx.
Can anyone provide accurate info on the scope of these works?
Potential work on the CN portion of the line might include:
And the "METROLINX VENDOR ENGAGEMENT For construction of the Guelph Subdivision Construction Packages 2 and 4 – Kitchener Extension Program" released on Merx.
Can anyone provide accurate info on the scope of these works?
Potential work on the CN portion of the line might include:
- 3rd track from E of Georgetown GO station across the Credit bridge to W of Mount Pleasant GO station
- 3rd track through Brampton station
- additional track from Bramalea GO station to the start of the Metrolinx-owned Weston subdivision
- Rail-rail grade separation W of Heritage Rd and E of Credit bridge
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Allandale25
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Re 2: as @SaugeenJunction found and posted here months ago, the design contract for the third platform at the Brampton Station has been awarded. It was said around the time through conversations that CN was designing the track. So maybe this is part of that process, or for the additional elements you've highlighted.
ProjectEnd
Superstar
Anyone know what the wood base on the Milton line track is for?
crs1026
Senior Member
^Presumably they anticipate having to move heavy construction equipment up and down the line at that location.
- Paul
- Paul
reaperexpress
Senior Member
Noticed this alert on the Via Rail website. Trains 84-87 are the Toronto-Kitchener-London-Sarnia services. Maybe there's a planned track realignment on the Guelph Sub on the 9th-10th of March.
