APTA-2048
Senior Member
I doubt the average person makes any differentiation between electric locomotives and EMUs. As long as a train shows up and is frequent, that’s all anyone would really care about.
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Kitsune
Senior Member
How can they have upto 30 trains or trains every 3.5 minutes while still having grade crossings? ..
DavidH
Senior Member
Seems like they may be heading in the direction of "relatively small" EMU trains with high frequencies. I'd imagine that you'd want single floor EMUs to ease loading times.;
Of course, time will tell. It's early days.
turini2
Active Member
Hence the substantial work already underway to remove them! (Davenport Diamond etc)
turini2
Active Member
This is excellent, excellent news. The electrification of GO was something I was very worried that a pro-car Conservative provincial government would dump - so I guess I take my doubt back!Partner Selected for Go Rail Expansion On-Corridor Works Project
Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario (IO) have executed an agreement with ONxpress Transportation Partners (ONxpress) to enter the Development Phase of the On-Corridor Works project – the largest project in Metrolinx’s GO Rail Expansion program. Unprecedented in its scale and complexity, this...www.infrastructureontario.ca
Backgrounder - Go Rail Expansion Program and the On-Corridor Works Project
The Greater Toronto and Hamilton Region is experiencing incredible growth, with an estimated nine million people calling this region home by 2041. GO Transit – the regional commuter system for the Greater Toronto Region – is one of the fastest growing transit services in North America. The GO...
Kudos to Metrolinx for pushing the (very rosy!) business case hard enough and kudos to local governments for pushing for this.
Now we need to push Metrolinx (and others!) to move away from building more parking and get building TOD on the existing car parking instead!
generalcanada
Senior Member
i think hes talking about the recently cancelled burloak grade separation(or was it a different one) and scarborough golf club road both having their crossings removed from the project
Allandale25
Senior Member
^ there are also a few on LSW in Mississauga between Hurontario and Long Branch.
Undead
Senior Member
With trains that frequent, the system is just begging for free transfers to/from local busses and high frequency local BRT. This is an opportunity to truly build that elusive "surface subway" and potentially create enormous ridership. How can we get local bus connections higher (much higher) on Metrolinx's radar? This will truly be the make or break piece for the immense train frequencies and I'd hate to see us stumble over something relatively trivial after the big projects are done.
dkt
New Member
Does electric locomotives mean we get to keep the octagon cars? I like the octagon carsFrom the Alstom press release:
“Alstom’s scope within the consortium is anticipated to include the supply of new electric locomotives, train control systems, a new traction power system and network electrification via an overhead catenary system, as well as the integration of its scope.”
Is it safe to put talk of battery-powered trains to rest?
innsertnamehere
Superstar
frequencies in the 3.5 minute range would require grade separation on all but the absolute lowest traffic crossings. You would probably end up with more time with the level crossing gates down then up for that level of frequency - trains would be going by every 1.75 minutes.. leaving a window of maybe 45 seconds to a minute for cars to pass.
Luckily, GO has several parts of it's network which are entirely grade separated (or are planned to be from GO Expansion), and several more which are very close to that level.
- Stouffville from Unionville to Union
- Lakeshore West from Long Branch to Union
- Barrie to Caledonia GO
- Kitchener to Malton GO
- Lakeshore East to Eglinton GO
Several other corridors mostly have minor crossings remaining, or only a handful of larger road crossings which need to be addressed:
- Barrie could probably see 3.5 minute service fairly easily to Maple, provided Langstaff and Rivermede were seperated.
- Lakeshore West could probably see it on the entire corridor provided that something was done with Fourth Line, Kerr St, and Lorne Park Rd.
- Lakeshore East could probably see it on the entire corridor already, but may need Scarborough Golf Club Road done.
- Kitchener could easily extend service to Bramalea, with only 2 small at grade crossings.
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Luckily, GO has several parts of it's network which are entirely grade separated (or are planned to be from GO Expansion), and several more which are very close to that level.
- Stouffville from Unionville to Union
- Lakeshore West from Long Branch to Union
- Barrie to Caledonia GO
- Kitchener to Malton GO
- Lakeshore East to Eglinton GO
Several other corridors mostly have minor crossings remaining, or only a handful of larger road crossings which need to be addressed:
- Barrie could probably see 3.5 minute service fairly easily to Maple, provided Langstaff and Rivermede were seperated.
- Lakeshore West could probably see it on the entire corridor provided that something was done with Fourth Line, Kerr St, and Lorne Park Rd.
- Lakeshore East could probably see it on the entire corridor already, but may need Scarborough Golf Club Road done.
- Kitchener could easily extend service to Bramalea, with only 2 small at grade crossings.
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generalcanada
Senior Member
well we already have free transfers. only just recently though
TTC buses as far as i know are pretty frequent, but as everyone knows, you sometimes need to take multiple transfers to get to your house. of course a symptom of low-density....but i digress
i think we already have some great transfers, but unfortunately the low density hurts us
generalcanada
Senior Member
i mean...how long is the average streetlight?
also if the schedule is synced enough, they could probaly get the timings down to get the trains to pass at the exact same time to lower the frequency of the gates.
like when each grade separation is $100 million the value goes way down
this is in defence of cancelling the scarborough grade separation and the one in etobicoke
crs1026
Superstar
The fact that the vendor’s system can handle a 3.5 minute headway does not mean that this headway is needed.
Ridership would have to explode to need that many trains. A 7.5-minute headway would probably seem adequate.
Needing the greater frequency would be a nice problem to have…. but we will all be a lot older before that happens, even in a more crowded urban environment.
- Paul
Ridership would have to explode to need that many trains. A 7.5-minute headway would probably seem adequate.
Needing the greater frequency would be a nice problem to have…. but we will all be a lot older before that happens, even in a more crowded urban environment.
- Paul
If Metrolinx wants to move away from the 12-car behemoths though, during peak periods they may get pretty close to every 3.5 minutes! Pre-COVID, LSW was sub 10-minutes at some times, and that's with 12-car trains. A shift to 6-car trains pulled by electric locomotives would mean double the frequency to handle the same demand. 3.5 mins in that case isn't much of a stretch.
The real determination on how much of a "surface subway" this will be is what the off-peak frequencies will be. Every 15 mins isn't subway-level, but cut that in half and you're getting there.
generalcanada
Senior Member
more details about the deal from aecon
construction is shared 50% by aecon and FCC construction
28% interest in operations and maintenace with DB.
wonder if that 28% is them doing the actual track maintenance and DB doing operations?