generalcanada
Senior Member
that aint happening. service increases will come first, which means that their priorities are the new tracks, switches and train control systems.
the electrification of a single line methinks is coming earliest 2028
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the electrification of a single line methinks is coming earliest 2028
superelevation
Active Member
It doesn't need to be a "complete" rebuild. Just raise the tracks and move the doors. As others mentioned Mlinx already has said it wants to move the services at Union, even if our lack of foresight is incredibly annoying
Allandale25
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I can't remember if there's also a thread for signaling so maybe this should have gone there.
reaperexpress
Senior Member
@crs1026 already posted that in the thread for signalling.
I can't remember if there's also a thread for signaling so maybe this should have gone there.
Coolstar
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ssiguy2
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I think you will see the rate of electrification infrastructure and rolling stock happen much quicker than was previously planned.
When this contract was sent out and the winner basically picked, the cost of diesel was half what it is now and there is no reason to think it will co me down anytime soon including after the Ukraine war is over. This means that operational costs have soared and with ever increasing frequency of service, those costs will be significantly higher than originally forecast.
This could cause ML & QP to accelerate electrification and focus on certain lines to get some portions electrified faster so they can begin to see operational costs deckine faster than working at all lines and basically opening at the same time.
When this contract was sent out and the winner basically picked, the cost of diesel was half what it is now and there is no reason to think it will co me down anytime soon including after the Ukraine war is over. This means that operational costs have soared and with ever increasing frequency of service, those costs will be significantly higher than originally forecast.
This could cause ML & QP to accelerate electrification and focus on certain lines to get some portions electrified faster so they can begin to see operational costs deckine faster than working at all lines and basically opening at the same time.
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allengeorge
Senior Member
Interesting - for some reason I’d never put two and two together re: cost of operating GO. Unfortunately, doing all the legwork for electrification has also become more expensive at the same time, and, given the recent news of Windsor losing an LG Chem plant because of lack of generating capacity, I’m really curious how much capacity we need/have to power the trains.
ssiguy2
Senior Member
The timeline itself may not change but I think you will see ML focusing on one particular line {ie Lakeshore} to get it up and running and realizing those operational savings faster than if they did all the lines at once. Fuel takes up nearly 50% of GO's operational costs and the faster they can get some lines electrified, the more savings they will see.
ARG1
Senior Member
Isn't the reason why the whole conversation around Hydrogen occurred in the first place because we had such a power surplus that it wasn't a big deal to lose power during the electrolysis process?
tayser
Active Member
4-5 years ago I stumbled upon data for Melbourne's network (16 lines of varying length [998km total track length of which 95% is electrified], a fleet of ~220 trains) and the peak demand was around 180MW (literally in the morning peak too - 7:30-8:30am).
If we're only operating in pub-test world, GO's electrification, I'd hazard a guess, would probably only require about 1/3 to 1/2 of the demand here.
allengeorge
Senior Member
I don’t know. I never understood the push for an unproven technology for (what should have been) a risk-averse transit project.
That would make sense. I think incrementalism makes sense in this context.
rbt
Senior Member
Ontario consistently has a power surplus at certain times of day, and a deficit at certain times of day (especially hotter days).
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reaperexpress
Senior Member
[Citation Needed]
BTW I think you're right: the best strategy is to get something up and running as soon as possible, so they can start the process of rolling stock attrition. Lakeshore (Burlington-Oshawa) is definitely plausible because it has a lot of vehicle-km, and it has the only existing electric yard (Whitby).
crs1026
Superstar
^The critical path is through the power supply and switchgear.
I suspect that nothing has been done to procure it. Some of that stuff may have long lead times to deliver.
And Hydro One may have preferences as to where they start the installation.
- Paul
I suspect that nothing has been done to procure it. Some of that stuff may have long lead times to deliver.
And Hydro One may have preferences as to where they start the installation.
- Paul
Allandale25
Senior Member
Not directly on topic but still interesting:
liamoconnell.com
Starting A National Rail Electrification Plan
Something momentous may be about to happen in United States passenger rail: Amtrak is going to gain electrified trackage. If recently-released proposals for $424M worth of passenger rail improvemen…
liamoconnell.com