ap70
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...never mind it will not make any difference.
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doady
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Poor people, who we assume are responsible for most of the violent crimes, actually have the least access to video games and movies. Video games and movies and television programming require money. So I don't see how censorship of video games and movies could possible reduce violent crime..
IMO, the real solution is to bring back the death penalty. If man makes death then death makes man - tear the torso with horses and chains.
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Hydrogen
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I've watched and listened to plenty of violent stuff, but I never was compelled to mug, rape or murder. Does that mean there is something wrong with me?
Well, maybe you are a monkey. Otherwise, can you somehow prove this point? It is simply too difficult to believe that television has had that kind of impact. Besides, so many films and television shows conclude with the perpetrator of violence being punished for that wrongful action.
Is this true of every place in Brazil? If I recall correctly, in the late 1990's, Brazil was in the top ten countries in the world for murders. The United States didn't make it that high (and still doesn't). Recently, the murder rate in Sao Paulo was around 15 per 100,000 inhabitants (it dropped by half in ten years). In New York City, the rate is 7 homicides per 100,000 inhabitants. Murders and violent crime are well-covered on Sao-Paulo television - well before nine at night.
Within the United Sates, there is big difference in the rates of murder and violent crime. Washington D.C. has a very high murder rate; San Diego has a rate about one-eighth that of D.C. Presumably the same TV shows and movies are being watched in both those cities.
In Canada, the murder rate per 100,000 people is highest in Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. Prince Edward Island has the lowest - less than a tenth of that found in Nunavut.
It'd be interesting to see how you bend TV watching to fit the disparities in all those murder statistics.
ap70
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I am not saying that TV is the cause of the violence!
I am saying that we should reduce or remove violent content from public TV in order to have kids, teens and adults less exposed to violent scenes as example look what they do with sex content.
That will not solve the problem however it might help. This is my opinion. Do you know about the subliminally chics used in the second war were one or two frames of a sequence of 24 were removed and replaced with violent scenes....now can you imagine hours daily of violent content?
I believe that in most people it does not affect their behavior however for an individual with violent conduct history it certainly can boost...
Well, if you want to discuss SA Paulo, Brazil and South America let's start by how the US fire arms industry sends legal and illegal huge amounts of fire arms to South America. You can buy a 765 for C$12.00 on the streets. The problem in Brazil is the easy way to access fire arms. Of course poverty is a factor. But Brazilians are not violent in its nature.
I guess the plan of convincing the bad guys to give up the fire arms and voluntary drop them to the police is a great idea. I am not sure when the bad guys will start doing that....but still...
I am not saying that TV is the cause of the violence!
I am saying that we should reduce or remove violent content from public TV in order to have kids, teens and adults less exposed to violent scenes as example look what they do with sex content.
That will not solve the problem however it might help. This is my opinion. Do you know about the subliminally chics used in the second war were one or two frames of a sequence of 24 were removed and replaced with violent scenes....now can you imagine hours daily of violent content?
I believe that in most people it does not affect their behavior however for an individual with violent conduct history it certainly can boost...
Well, if you want to discuss SA Paulo, Brazil and South America let's start by how the US fire arms industry sends legal and illegal huge amounts of fire arms to South America. You can buy a 765 for C$12.00 on the streets. The problem in Brazil is the easy way to access fire arms. Of course poverty is a factor. But Brazilians are not violent in its nature.
I guess the plan of convincing the bad guys to give up the fire arms and voluntary drop them to the police is a great idea. I am not sure when the bad guys will start doing that....but still...
Dichotomy
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Any idiot can fathom that exposure to violence and sex over long periods of time is quite obviously going to desensitize the individuals to those acts. Come on - that is common sense!
Does anyone here think that an 8 year old should be watching Texas Chainsaw Massacres or Bimbo Vixens III?
I don't know where the remark about poor people having the lowest access to TV and video games came from. What do you think they do all day if they aren't working or at school? It's not like a television is a luxury any more. It hasn't been for 40 years.
Who here has watched porno, say for 10 years or more and who can honestly admit that it turns them on the same way it did as the first time they saw a porno movie?
However, gun control and exposure to violence are only two of the myriad of challenges facing us in the 21st Century. We need to identify problem behavior at an early age and redirect those energies into more positive directions. Otherwise, we are just dumbing down everything in society to the lowest common denominator.
Does anyone here think that an 8 year old should be watching Texas Chainsaw Massacres or Bimbo Vixens III?
I don't know where the remark about poor people having the lowest access to TV and video games came from. What do you think they do all day if they aren't working or at school? It's not like a television is a luxury any more. It hasn't been for 40 years.
Who here has watched porno, say for 10 years or more and who can honestly admit that it turns them on the same way it did as the first time they saw a porno movie?
However, gun control and exposure to violence are only two of the myriad of challenges facing us in the 21st Century. We need to identify problem behavior at an early age and redirect those energies into more positive directions. Otherwise, we are just dumbing down everything in society to the lowest common denominator.
Brian69
Not the Messiah
Do you know Brazil is the second largest arms manufacturer in the Western hemisphere? So I don't think they need America to depend on for guns. Taurus is a major gun maker from Brazil that has been quite successful in its own right in selling inexpensive weapons to North America along with its domestic market. I'm not violent in my nature either but those crafty Brazilians convinced me to purchase one once.
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Hydrogen
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I've pointed out that the same television and movie content does not produce equal levels of violence across the board. As for sex, the internet has made sexual content more available.
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Subliminal suggestion is one of those ideas that has gone in and out of fashion as a theory for motivating people. It's not exactly well supported.
So censor everything so as to prevent a small number of people from acting out? Won't people with violent tendencies potentially find some other form of outlet?
"Brazilian" is a nationality. Earlier you mentioned individuals with violent tendencies. Presumably some Brazilians may have some violent tendencies. This has nothing to do with nationality, though.
ap70
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i give up.
TrickyRicky
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"Not that I am advocating a return to this, but I wonder what kind of correlation there is between our sedentary society today, and the society of our forefathers where military service was mandatory, with respect to the rise of violence."
We can only speculate here, however if you look at the statistics there has been a steady decrease in homocide in almost all countries over the last 500 years of recorded statistics. With some statistical blips there was basically never a time in recorded human history when less people per capita were victoms of homocide than now. So the degenerative effects of media and our sedentary society negative as they may be for other reasons, likely have negligible influence on violent crime rates. Infact the opposite could be true that they have a slightly positive influence on the peace and safety of our society by occupying the minds of the young and promoting lethargy.
We can only speculate here, however if you look at the statistics there has been a steady decrease in homocide in almost all countries over the last 500 years of recorded statistics. With some statistical blips there was basically never a time in recorded human history when less people per capita were victoms of homocide than now. So the degenerative effects of media and our sedentary society negative as they may be for other reasons, likely have negligible influence on violent crime rates. Infact the opposite could be true that they have a slightly positive influence on the peace and safety of our society by occupying the minds of the young and promoting lethargy.
Whoaccio
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I am not sure how constitutional this idea is, but I always thought it could be a neat idea to put the gun registry to use and hold that, if a gun was used in a crime, all prior owners of the gun (including it's vendor and if it was stolen) should be criminally liable as accomplices to the crime.
Voltz
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That is blatantly unconstitutional and illegal. A few other choice words come to mind, but I am not willing to say then on a public forum.
A criminal conviction requires that the the defendant have intent ( mens rea or Guilty mind ).
If someone steals something from you and uses it in a crime, would you want to be convicted of that crime even though you had nothing to do with it?
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Hydrogen
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It's quite unconstitutional.
If the firearm was sold for the purpose of criminal activity, that's different. But that fact must first be proven.
Whoaccio
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If through my own negligence somebody acquired a lethal weapon (gun, knife, alligator...) and used it in a crime, I think I should bear responsibility. Criminal negligence is a form of mens rea. Given that there are quite strict by-laws on how to store fire arms, specifically designed to prevent theft/misuse, it shouldn't be a great leap forward to suggest that failure to appropriately store weapons is criminally negligent.
As for the firearm vendor, given that there are pre-screening protocols to prevent crazies from getting guns, if that gun is then used in a crime the vendor clearly misread the purchaser. Negligent. We charge people for serving dangerous amounts of alcohol, charging people for giving weapons to unstable people seems more plausible than that.
Brian69
Not the Messiah
If you sold the gun to a gun shop and the gun shop was subsequently robbed and the gun stolen and used in a crime, how would your individual negligence come into play? Where did you make a culpable mistake? Your plan would only work in the case of an immediate theft/misuse but you've already stated that all who had owned the gun would be liable. It is quite unconstitutional and doesn't even fall under the category of negligence.
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