[Admiral Beez]

Yet another nail in the national consensus. When does consultation become an excuse for endless litigation and rent-seeking?

Let the legal process work itself through as needed. Rent seeking? As long as those getting the rent are in Canada, such as indigenous groups I'm fine with that. Everyone has a price.

 

[BurlOak]

Let the legal process work itself through as needed. Rent seeking? As long as those getting the rent are in Canada, such as indigenous groups I'm fine with that. Everyone has a price.

And the wealthy law firms. It's important that make make some money to pay for rent.

 

[jje1000]

Let the legal process work itself through as needed. Rent seeking? As long as those getting the rent are in Canada, such as indigenous groups I'm fine with that. Everyone has a price.

Of course, but you should be able to recognize when the board has tipped over- that as long as native groups can freely litigate with public money (and with the help of foreign NGO groups), they will act in their own interests in maximizing their payout and political profile. This no-risk legal action essentially trivializes real legal action (which should always be championed) and turns everything into a sue-til-you-win process.

 

[Admiral Beez]

as long as native groups can freely litigate with public money

Yes, there will be waste, but if their cases have no merit they’ll be tossed. These oil pipelines will only happen if there is clear agreement and benefit for the indigenous groups. I see no other option beyond abandonment.

 

[Admiral Beez]

The messing around of the USA over access to medical supplies should tell us that we cannot trust America with our access to petroleum markets. Thus, let‘s get an expanded pipeline to Canadian tidewater ASAP.

Shockproofing Canada: Why the Keystone pipeline is just the start of making us energy self-sufficient

'This is our hedge that we get at least one major project built. That will ensure the flexibility for the future': Alberta Premier Jason Kenney

business.financialpost.com

 

[Admiral Beez]

It's blindingly obvious that the resource should be more developed here and not just pumped away in its most basic form. What a waste of economic opportunity.

Looks like you may get your wish. But can we refine Alberta’s oil here at even pre-pandemic oil price lows?

“Joe Biden will cancel the Keystone XL pipeline if he's elected president of the United States, his campaign said Monday in a potential death blow for the delay-plagued Canada-U.S. oil project.“

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/biden-kxl-1.5574515

 

[SunriseChampion]

Good. I'm sick of seeing raw resources get exported at bottom dollar and then re-imported at top dollar as value added end products.

It's so small-minded and economically stifling.

I have to order zinc sheet from Belgium and France even though it was mined here.

No, it's not cheaper to ship it to Europe, refine it there, and then ship it back.

 

[kEiThZ]

Good. I'm sick of seeing raw resources get exported at bottom dollar and then re-imported at top dollar as value added end products.

It's so small-minded and economically stifling.

I have to order zinc sheet from Belgium and France even though it was mined here.

No, it's not cheaper to ship it to Europe, refine it there, and then ship it back.

You really want to see the worst of this? Forget oil. Despite every single resource to build electric cars we are going to lose the entire auto sector to the US, Europe and China. Not one battery factory being built in Canada. But all those factories will get their resources from Canada.

 

[Northern Light]

You really want to see the worst of this? Forget oil. Despite every single resource to build electric cars we are going to lose the entire auto sector to the US, Europe and China. Not one battery factory being built in Canada. But all those factories will get their resources from Canada.

If we have the largest/easiest to access supply; ideally we would get the value-add jobs.

Failing that, we should apply an export tariff (not enough to stifle sales, but enough to let the state profit extra from the resource and to slightly shift the economics in favour of bringing the value-add jobs here.)

 

[SunriseChampion]

Batteries?!?!?!

Yeah, right, that's way too high-minded technologically-speaking for us to even contemplate.

We're fine selling ourselves out for bottom dollar and then importing our resources back for triple the cost!!! Business!!

 

[urbanflight]

Fossil fuel production far exceeds climate targets, UN says

https://twitter.com/x/status/1334195779477655553

Canada, Australia, China and U.S. are all pursuing major expansions in fossil fuel supply

The world's governments plan to produce more than double the amount of coal, oil and gas in 2030 than would be consistent with curbing global warming, the United Nations and research groups said on Wednesday in the latest warning over climate change.

Some of the largest fossil fuel producers in the world, including Australia, China, Canada and the United States, are among those pursuing major expansions in fossil fuel supply.

Under the 2015 Paris Agreement, countries have committed to a long-term goal of limiting average temperature rise to below 2 C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit it even further to 1.5 C. The United States is expected to rejoin the agreement when Joe Biden becomes president on Jan. 20.

This requires fossil fuel production decreasing by around six per cent per year between 2020 and 2030.

Instead, countries are planning and projecting an average annual increase of two per cent, which by 2030 would result in more than double the production consistent with the 1.5 C limit, the report said.

Between 2020 and 2030, global coal, oil, and gas production would have to fall annually by 11 per cent, four per cent, and three per cent respectively to be consistent with a 1.5 C pathway. But government plans and projections indicate an average two per cent annual increase for each fuel.

"This gap is large, with countries aiming to produce 120 per cent more fossil fuels by 2030 than would be consistent with limiting global warming to 1.5 C," the report said.

Scientists say recent extreme weather, such as ferocious wildfires in the U.S. West, torrential rains in Africa, and record heat waves from California to the Siberian Arctic, is consistent with climate change and the world can expect more wild weather as greenhouse gas emissions continue.

"This year's devastating forest fires, floods and droughts and other unfolding extreme weather events serve as powerful reminders for why we must succeed in tackling the climate crisis," said Inger Andersen, executive director of UNEP.

 

[Admiral Beez]

You really want to see the worst of this? Forget oil. Despite every single resource to build electric cars we are going to lose the entire auto sector to the US, Europe and China. Not one battery factory being built in Canada. But all those factories will get their resources from Canada.

You build the factories where government oversight of environmental and labour standards are lax, where energy is cheap or free, where labour is cheap or unregulated, where profits are high and taxes are low. The US can push a little because these are often American headquartered companies. But how can Canada compete in that scenario?

 

[kEiThZ]

You build the factories where government oversight of environmental and labour standards are lax, where energy is cheap or free, where labour is cheap or unregulated, where profits are high and taxes are low.

Last I checked Europe, Japan, and Korea aren't places with the above. They are all building battery factories. One can quibble about the sunbelt states in the US where Tesla is building their factories, but they still aren't cheap labour developing world jurisdictions. And Tesla's first factory, and (soon to be first) first proprietary battery manufacturing facility is in the Bay Area. Hardly a place of cheap labour and low environmental standards. Not a low tax state either.

 

[Admiral Beez]

Last I checked Europe, Japan, and Korea aren't places with the above. They are all building battery factories.

Yes, because Europe, Japan and Korea build the electronics that need those batteries. Outside of a few US subsidiary automobile and European subsidiary rail transit plants, what Canadian manufacturers are assembling anything needing these batteries in Canada?

The big question is why are no foreign or domestic firms starting battery factories in Canada? Are they demanding more pork than Ottawa or the provinces are willing to provide? If no foreign or domestic firms want to make batteries here, are you suggesting that we set up a nationalized battery manufacturer, like a Petro Canada of batteries? Who do we sell the batteries to?

 

[kEiThZ]

The big question is why are no foreign or domestic firms starting battery factories in Canada?

Because the best place to build the battery factories is beside the car plants that will use them. The Europeans and Asians provided aid and low cost loans to their auto OEMs to build battery plants, to let them catch up to Tesla. We haven't done with this. And if we don't, Ontario will lose the auto sector in 15 years.