Kosy123
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Where did you get this? Is this from the APTA thing? I know we've breached ETS Bus ridership but they didn't say anything yet about LRT ridership
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Gronk!
Senior Member
All I know is I'm taking the LRT to the Heritage Festival this weekend, and I'm not allowing some thugs to stop me from doing so!
TAS
Senior Member
Coun Paquette's office provided me this info today. Council previously discussed this when Coun. Stevenson asked for a report on short term housing alternatives. Council decided not to go the route of workforce trailers. Here is some info from city admin.
According to findings of city admin, these trailers are a more expensive of an option than hotels.
IanO
Superstar
What in the absolute F? Those per unit/day costs seem classically public sector solutions.
Do they include counselling, food and uber?
Do they include counselling, food and uber?
northlands
Senior Member
So City administration estimated it will cost $17.9m to run a 140 bed camp for 12 months.
They really have no idea what they’re doing.
Also to put it in perspective: I know a construction company that rented a 54 man camp, plus a 1450 sqft gym, 2100 sq ft dining hall, complete commercial kitchen, all catering (three meals per person per day) and any required housekeeping/maintenance/installation/logistics, all for $2m over two years. And this is at a site sevens hours north of Saskatoon in the middle of nowhere.
They really have no idea what they’re doing.
Also to put it in perspective: I know a construction company that rented a 54 man camp, plus a 1450 sqft gym, 2100 sq ft dining hall, complete commercial kitchen, all catering (three meals per person per day) and any required housekeeping/maintenance/installation/logistics, all for $2m over two years. And this is at a site sevens hours north of Saskatoon in the middle of nowhere.
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thommyjo
Senior Member
Saying a lot of things with confidence without sources man. 2023 - 76,500 weekday. 2018 - 113,000 weekday. So just a casual 30% drop…
Edmonton Light Rail Transit - Wikipedia
IanO
Superstar
Odd though, for the head of ETS continues to say that they are 'back to normal'.
BrettB
Active Member
Bus service certainly is back to normal, according to the most recent Branch Highlight Report - although for the life of me, I don't understand why they don't also publish LRT data
TAS
Senior Member
Yes, it was bus service that was back to normal as of Jan 2023.
As an FYI, Edmonton's best year for ETS ridership (lrt + bus) was 2014, the only year we surpassed 89 million riders. By 2019, ridership was down 2.5 million despite expanded lrt and a population increase.
Coincidentally, Edmonton continued to really sprawl during those years and many kms of roads were added and new neighbourhoods outside the Henday built out.
As an FYI, Edmonton's best year for ETS ridership (lrt + bus) was 2014, the only year we surpassed 89 million riders. By 2019, ridership was down 2.5 million despite expanded lrt and a population increase.
Coincidentally, Edmonton continued to really sprawl during those years and many kms of roads were added and new neighbourhoods outside the Henday built out.
bodsbods9090
Active Member
Huh???
Kosy123
Active Member
If anything I'm curious to see the numbers for 2023 Sep-Nov. 2022 Sep-Nov saw a recovery, especially as COVID was deemed not a thing anymore, but there was still some apprehension and weird work scheduling with GoA employees over the 3 day in, 2 day out hybrid model. I'd still argue that 70% ridership from pre-COVID is still substantial numbers, especially as other transit jurisdictions haven't fully recovered yet.
thommyjo
Senior Member
Yeah, 70% isn’t bad at all comparatively. But I think in our context, we know that ours is being hurt by safety more than just office WFH jobs. Whereas Toronto has clearly seen 300k less workers downtown these days, which is heavily tied to offices and WFH. So that’s why their subways and trains have dropped in use. Ours is in the low tens of thousands for office job impacts.
Greenspace
Senior Member
Back to 2019 levels. We’re still way off pre-2014 recession levels and will take a decade to get back to that.
IanO
Superstar
Basically losing the transit battle amid one of the fastest growing cities in the country with significant new investments into LRT.
The SE, W and SLRT expansions should provide much better options for folks, IF they actually have to head to the core AND we make it a much safer system.
The SE, W and SLRT expansions should provide much better options for folks, IF they actually have to head to the core AND we make it a much safer system.
BASE
Active Member
Sadly I think when the SE Valley line opens ridership is going to be very anemic. Those that utilize the Bus for similar routes will make the shift but with the state of safety the number of folks shifting from personal vehicle to transit will be a very small.