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^So another layer of bureaucracy, to speed up the bureaucracy that's operating at an "arm's length" from the government who's partial initial purpose was to have projects built quicker by having a reduced amount of government interference.

Makes absolutely no sense to me, but hey why not let's find another way to piss away more government funds.
 
Unfortunately this article is paywalled cc @crs1026 @Northern Light

I wonder if this would be separate from IO and Metrolinx?

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Brought to you by the same braintrust who said they could speed up housing, and then saw the lowest level of housing starts in a decade, after their 3rd attempt at improvements.

* yeah yeah, before someone says but 'interest rates'..... right, those rose because of inflation, inflation driven by housing, driven by large numbers of foreign students, among other groups, but of note, that particular group at the behest of, The Ontario government. So high interest rates were their policy, since the consequence was entirely foreseeable.
 
^So another layer of bureaucracy, to speed up the bureaucracy that's operating at an "arm's length" from the government who's partial initial purpose was to have projects built quicker by having a reduced amount of government interference.

Makes absolutely no sense to me, but hey why not let's find another way to piss away more government funds.

100% on point.

I don't know if this overlaps with the Provincial Infrastructure Bank....that they want to stand up at considerable cost, following the tremendous success (cough) of the federal one............

What a waste.

If you want to make projects go faster, stand down/dissolve most of the extra agencies created. There's this bizarre notion that if Infrastructure Ontario manages a hospital project, that somehow the hospital's part in the process went away.

Uh uh, you just added an extra agency and an extra layer of bureaucracy to the process, you made it longer and more expensive, not cheaper and faster.
 
Starting a new agency to do something you were already doing unsuccessfully through other agencies is an admission that those other agencies are not working. So, what interventions do we make at those agencies ? Nada.

I am doubly baffled that even the Ford government would seriously grasp at this. It reeks of desperation. Such a new agency would likely require a legislative mandate, and then would have to do executive and staff recruiting, and then work out protocols to absorb projects already in process, or launch new ones (with procurement delays). All that takes time. There simply isn't enough startup time before the next election to achieve any tangible results. So all they will have for the election is a promise that this latest silver bullet is going to work. The public isn't that dumb.

- Paul
 
Starting a new agency to do something you were already doing unsuccessfully through other agencies is an admission that those other agencies are not working. So, what interventions do we make at those agencies ? Nada.

Well now, in fairness Paul, they did extend Phil Verster's contract and give him a pay raise............. oh wait.....

I am doubly baffled that even the Ford government would seriously grasp at this. It reeks of desperation. Such a new agency would likely require a legislative mandate, and then would have to do executive and staff recruiting, and then work out protocols to absorb projects already in process, or launch new ones (with procurement delays). All that takes time. There simply isn't enough startup time before the next election to achieve any tangible results. So all they will have for the election is a promise that this latest silver bullet is going to work. The public isn't that dumb.

- Paul

Of course, if one's real goal were to push certain capital spending even further down the line to move it out of this year's budget or next so one could show a lower deficit/surplus, or find money for some other election goody while claiming progress......going into a campaign....
 
Of course, if one's real goal were to push certain capital spending even further down the line to move it out of this year's budget or next so one could show a lower deficit/surplus, or find money for some other election goody while claiming progress......going into a campaign....

Yeah.... the reality is that the political level really doesn't care when, or how quickly, any of this gets built. If a delay improves the financials, and doesn't become a scandal.... then it's acceptable. All they really want is to say it's in the works. Maybe the public is that gullible after all.

The thing about transit is.... we truly are approaching road gridlock, and the opportunity cost of not having quicker better ways to get around the GTA is enormous. Nobody really can quantify that in a compelling way, but it's real.

As is the fact that buyers will more readily sign up for a new residence (and hence developers will commit to build) in proximity to a transit line that actually exists, as opposed to one that may be coming in a decade. If anyone wants to improve the new construction starts, transit is a stimulus. So why are we deferrring building it?

- Paul
 
Yeah.... the reality is that the political level really doesn't care when, or how quickly, any of this gets built. If a delay improves the financials, and doesn't become a scandal.... then it's acceptable. All they really want is to say it's in the works. Maybe the public is that gullible after all.

The thing about transit is.... we truly are approaching road gridlock, and the opportunity cost of not having quicker better ways to get around the GTA is enormous. Nobody really can quantify that in a compelling way, but it's real.

As is the fact that buyers will more readily sign up for a new residence (and hence developers will commit to build) in proximity to a transit line that actually exists, as opposed to one that may be coming in a decade. If anyone wants to improve the new construction starts, transit is a stimulus. So why are we deferrring building it?

- Paul

Real expediency means:

1) Doing away w/the pretend business case for a pre-determined political decision.

2) Properly scoping an EA more tightly to focus on things that might actually be changed.

3) Once a project is through EA at probably 30% design, push it to 100% design of at least one buildable segment within a year.

* Important note for above, you don't need to finish the design for everything to tender the first thing, you need to finish designing the first thing, and have sufficiently advanced design that nothing major will change as work proceeds.

4) Proceed to construction quickly, funding is a key delay factor.

5) Build things that can be enlarged or fit-out w/time, but don't need 100% fit-out on day one.

6) Eschew the P3 model in favour of tendering construction alone. No financing, no maintaining, no operation. These add enormously to complexity and risk and they drive down competition in contract bidding leading to inflated prices and extended timelines.
 
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Unfortunately this article is paywalled cc @crs1026 @Northern Light

I wonder if this would be separate from IO and Metrolinx?

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Ford government considering new agency to speed up public infrastructure projects: documents

Documents about the government’s 'digital twin' plans, including some labelled ‘confidential,’ were posted on a former public servant's website

Aidan Chamandy and Charlie Pinkerton

July 22, 2024

https://www.thetrillium.ca/ - Queen’s Park News

The Ford government is considering creating a new agency to oversee the digital mapping of Ontario’s underground utilities to try to make construction quicker and safer, government documents indicate.

The records also show the government is interested in creating a new online permitting system for certain priority projects — like hospitals and transit — to give the province more insight into and power over approvals of certain work.

Government documents outlining the potential new agency were posted online at digitaltwinontario.ca — the website of a not-for- profit started by a former Infrastructure Ontario employee. Some records pertaining to digital twin technology on the site were marked as “confidential advice to government” or “confidential draft for discussion purposes only.”

Digital twinning is essentially the digital mapping of infrastructure including underground assets like utilities. The new agency the government is contemplating is referred to as “Digital Twin Ontario” in documents posted to digitaltwinontario.ca.

However, there's “no relationship between the site and any government or related entity,” Ian McConachie, communications manager at Infrastructure Ontario (IO), told The Trillium in a statement.

“We have reached out to the creator to remove any confidential or privileged information immediately as well as any linkages to IO, or government,” McConachie said.

As of midday Monday, digitaltwinontario.ca remained online. Password protections had been applied to documents that were previously freely available to view.

Digitaltwinontario.ca’s “about” page says it belongs to “Digital Twin Ontario ... a not-for- profit cooperative membership organization dedicated to elevating the level of diaglogue (sic), raising standards, and promoting growth and innovation within the public infrastructure sector.”

A not-for-profit called Digital Twin Ontario Inc. was incorporated on June 6, its corporate records show. Gordon Reynolds is listed as one of its directors.

Reynolds worked for Infrastructure Ontario for a few years before leaving earlier this year. He was Infrastructure Ontario’s vice-president of commercial projects and was quoted in a press release Toronto Metropolitan University (TMU) published on Jan. 23 announcing a digital twins- based partnership with the government.

Reynolds told The Trillium he started Digital Twin Ontario Inc., the not-for-profit corporation, to help bridge the gap between companies already using the technology and the government. He also said the not-for-profit and website have no relationship with the government.

“It’s neither a provincial agency nor does it have a contract with the government,” he said.

Reynolds denied that any of the material on the website was confidential.

“This is all publicly available information through public sources,” he said. “They’ve been made available to industry partners and associations, different working groups, municipalities, utilities, at conferences and other forums by the ministry.”

In the same way that Google Maps serves as a “twin” of much of the Earth’s surface by showing road networks and offering insight into traffic flows to better plan a trip, a digital infrastructure twin provides a model of where utilities, or other infrastructure components, are underground, and what they look like. Digital twin technology can also be used to provide real-time updates on an asset’s performance so it can be managed from a computer, rather than requiring someone to examine it firsthand.

“It's this idea of real-time, two-way communication between this physical asset and its digital counterpart,” said Jenn McArthur, a TMU professor specializing in digital twins.

One reason it’s gaining in popularity is because it allows organizations to run a “scenario analysis” on a piece of infrastructure. For example, a company could figure out whether its office building could be properly air- conditioned on a hot day, or if it would need to take added steps to make it comfortable for workers, MacArthur said.
Over time, as more digital twins are created, the government would have an increasingly accurate map of what utilities and other infrastructure exist, and where, theoretically making it easier to plan and build public infrastructure projects.

That could eliminate or seriously cut down on the time and money spent surveying underground infrastructure prior to construction, McArthur said, because all the information would be readily accessible through the digital twin.

The Ford government has already started experimenting with digital twin technology. In the province’s 2024 budget, it announced it would spend $5 million partnering Infrastructure Ontario with TMU and others “to leverage their experience with digital twins and explore solutions” the technology could offer.

The government and TMU signed a two-year memorandum of understanding in January to study how the technology can be used for “more efficient delivery of public infrastructure,” according to a press release published by the university.

TMU researchers are currently working on creating a digital twin of the entire campus.

Last month, the province announced it will test the technology on three public projects. The Peter Gilgan Mississauga Hospital redevelopment, Ontario Place and the Eglinton Crosstown West Extension are the test dummies.

“These projects were chosen because of their complex utility systems such as existing and planned electrical, water, gas and wastewater services,” the government’s press release said. “By identifying and mapping the location of these underground utilities in a virtual model, the province can help avoid costly and dangerous utility conflicts, which will help improve worker safety, save money and ensure projects are completed on time.”

Digital Twin Ontario — the agency that records show the government is considering adding under the Ministry of Infrastructure — would help manage the application of the technology. It could help speed up

construction timelines because encountering an underground water pipe or electrical wire, for example, can be difficult to work around and present a safety risk.

The Ford government is contemplating legislation that would create the new agency and give it powers to designate priority infrastructure projects, records show. Special rules would then apply to these projects.

An example given in the government documents of how these priority projects would be affected mentions construction: workers would attach pieces of underground infrastructure with radio frequency identification tags feeding into a virtual model of the physical asset, allowing the government and construction companies to know exactly where utilities, or other pieces of infrastructure, are located and how well they’re functioning.

Digital Twin Ontario would be empowered to levy fines for non-compliance with the special rules, according to what’s been outlined internally.

The priority projects would also go through a provincial permitting system, rather than the normal municipal permitting process, giving the province a window into how fast — or slow — a city is issuing approvals.
 

TY for that!

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So.... lets see........ a former IO employee incorporates a business in June of this year........nominally a non-profit.......which has the name of an internal project government is examining......and documents labelled confidential belonging to his former employer...............

And the government is musing about funding......

Ok then.....

The site in question: https://digitaltwinontario.ca/

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On the substance of the above........I don't see a provincial permitting process as at all helpful........., its duplicative.

I do endorse the idea that utilities have some form of real-time radio/wifi/net-based monitoring of their tech that includes operational info and geo-spatial placement, I don't understand why this isn't the norm already....but I digress.

That doesn't require an agency, it requires legislation that binds utilities to said standard, for federally regulated utilities like telcos, this may be require federal enabling legislation.

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I think a more useful move would be a Montreal-style Public Utilities Commission controlling viaducts on every street that place utilities in a uniform manner, easy to access and maintain (on a secure basis)
 
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Dundas BRT was [is?] considering Hydrogen as an electrification option. They might need to put a price on it to reject it in favour of battery buses.

Worth noting, the Ontario Government recently invested in a Hydrogen production facility as an alternative to selling excess overnight electricity to the USA at a discount. They probably have some pressure to at least price it out as a diesel alternative: it wouldn't be a terrible option for something like the Niagara train which will never have catenary.

This raises a few questions, namely that is Metrolinx looking at having this line be operated independently? Every other BRT project in this province had operations rolled into existing regional operations, so in theory this BRT would simply be run using existing the existing MiExpress busses. The only way this makes sense is if they want isolated operations and an isolated fleet due the line ultimately running through various municipalities and agencies.
 
This raises a few questions, namely that is Metrolinx looking at having this line be operated independently? Every other BRT project in this province had operations rolled into existing regional operations, so in theory this BRT would simply be run using existing the existing MiExpress busses. The only way this makes sense is if they want isolated operations and an isolated fleet due the line ultimately running through various municipalities and agencies.
If the line is to run in Halton and Mississauga, it will have to be a Metrolinx thing with miWay using part of it. Until the line gets in to Halton, it will be a miWay thing.
 

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