ottbike
Active Member
I don't know how they got away with not going with presto. For example, the provinced forced - key word forced - Ottawa to go with Presto. It wasn't really up for discussion.
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I don't know how they got away with not going with presto. For example, the provinced forced - key word forced - Ottawa to go with Presto. It wasn't really up for discussion.
nfitz
Superstar
The Region issued an RFP. Presto declined to submit a proposal. Regional council confirmed that their bylaws forbid them to award it to Presto without an RFP.
Ottawa was forced? Toronto was forced - I think the early adopters were all voluntary.
Looking back to page 6 of this thread, it seems the Ottawa decision to join in November 2007 (5 years before the Confederation line was approved) was voluntary. See the City of Ottawa report - http://ottawa.ca/calendar/ottawa/citycouncil/tc/2007/11-26/ACS2007-PTE-TRA-0010.htm
Catenary
Active Member
The two different types of faregates pictured have magnetic stripe readers in them, they're pretty common in the rest of the world. It's the horizontal slot on the right side, you insert the pass and it either shoots it back out or pops it up the top, and the gate opens when you pull it back out.
Keeping magnetic strips around would be a good way to sell cash tickets at TVMs.
ottbike
Active Member
My experience with cash tickets from TVMs in Europe is that they have a chip inside them so you just tap them at the gate like a Presto card. Magnetic strips could be another way though.
ottbike
Active Member
Really. With all this hype around the PrestoCard in the GTHA, one would think that PrestoCard [Metrolinx] would insist to be the card of choice for the region...
The story around Ottawa is that the province was threatening to withhold gas tax payments unless OC Transpo adopted the card. I know that the Presto manager for Ottawa implementation resigned after the major launch failure, so it could have been a case of top-down management during those early Presto days.
Catenary
Active Member
Both are certainly options. I've heard that the contactless tickets are more expensive, but this will probably equalize over time. What mag stripes would do is give the TTC flexibility to operate separately from PRESTO, for things like single ride tickets or day passes.
ottbike
Active Member
Makes me wonder if TVMs are coming - especially with all this fare integration talk + different fare for subway trips into York Region.
Catenary
Active Member
I can't imagine that getting rid of the collector isn't on someone's agenda.
EastYorkTTCFan
Senior Member
I think they will be more of an ambassador role and not in a both actually selling fare media but there to help poel that need to buy it fro machines like they do in London
epcjay
New Member
Found a minor bug with TTC? Tap on @ union, get on the 510. Get off at Dundas, Hang out at Chinatown for an hour and a 15 minutes. Hop back on to the 510 towards Spadina.
Two fares right? Nope, Presto counted my 2nd 510 trip as a transfer?
Two fares right? Nope, Presto counted my 2nd 510 trip as a transfer?
nfitz
Superstar
That akes sense - it sees the first tap as a tap on the subway, and the second as a transfer to the 510. This is what I'd expect with what we know with the programming.
This will go away, with the upcoming change that you will have to tap on to streetcars even in fare paid areas, when you enter.
Napoleon
Active Member
So I've noticed the streetcar drivers are still generally uninformed about how Presto works. I've had several drivers become quite upset with me when I decline to take a paper transfer after tapping in with a Presto card. They don't seem to understand that the fare inspectors have Presto readers. From my knowledge the only reason to take a transfer is if you're going to transfer to a bus. I think all subways that intersect streetcar routes either have internal transfers or have Presto readers installed.
The most hilarious contortion of logic was the driver telling me that I had to take a transfer if I boarded through the front doors but not the back. Anyone else having problems?
The most hilarious contortion of logic was the driver telling me that I had to take a transfer if I boarded through the front doors but not the back. Anyone else having problems?
ottbike
Active Member
Yeah it seems quite alot of TTC drivers are unaware of the rules, but I think they are slowly getting the hang of it. It is a new system after all.
chriskayTO
Active Member
Some drivers still feel they have to be fare police, which can lead to some interesting encounters. This will improve with time.
nfitz
Superstar
You also need transfers if you get short-turned - or else you get charged twice (for tapping twice on the same route in a row).
In the same way, if you were (for example) to take a 510 streetcar entering service from Queen/Leslie signed for Spadina station, and got off on Spadina changing to a southbound 510 to Front - you'd also get a second charge, and need to take a transfer.