If something "dangerous" is coming at me, why would I take comfort knowing that the theft rate in Detroit is lower than the national average when the murder rate in the same city is 5x the national average???
Well having lived there, I got a pretty good of when thefts take place. I'm definitely rolling my eyes, because assuming that you're white, I know that the chances of getting targeted is quite low.
Since homicide rates are ridiculously high amongst black Torontonians, I am pretty sure perceptions would be different. I remember being stopped off in Regent Park in the same manner as in Buffalo, Detroit, Newark or Uptown Manhattan. The fact that crime is heavily intra-racial is so damn obvious.
your comments suggests crime correlates with race. Where there's blacks there is crime where there's whites there's little to no crime. This is simply not true and is proven so by your same web site:
You need to re-read my post. Homicide and race DO correlate in those large cities. Let's keep it consistent, remain at the same page, and realize that people are pointing at dangerous cities which clearly have RACIAL issues.
Before I continue, let's look at more generalized statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Homicide rate amongst whites is much lower, either as perpetrators or victims throughout the United States. I don't understand why whites act like they're in danger when in Detroit. The truth is, it's a lot more dangerous being black in the perceived "safer" white areas and studies point this out clearly:
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/hate_crime/index.html
Offenses
In the hate crime program, bias-motivated offenses can be directed at persons, property, or society. During 2004, law enforcement agencies identified 9,035 offenses within the reported 7,649 incidents. Of these offenses, 62.4 percent were directed against persons, 36.9 percent against property, and the remainder (0.7 percent) against society.
Approximately one-half of all bias-motivated offenses against persons involved the crime of intimidation (50.1 percent). Nearly all of the other offenses directed at persons involved assaults: simple assaults made up 31.0 percent and aggravated assaults accounted for 18.4 percent of the offenses.
The majority of hate motivated offenses directed against property (84.4 percent) involved destruction, damage, or vandalism.
An analysis of the total reported offenses showed that intimidation accounted for 31.3 percent of the 9,035 offenses; destruction/damage/vandalism, 31.1 percent; simple assault, 19.4 percent; and aggravated assault, 11.5 percent of the total offenses. (Based on Table 2.33.)
Victims
Of the 9,528 victims of hate crimes in 2004, 9,514 were associated with an incident involving a single bias. More than half of that number (53.8 percent) were victims of racial prejudice. Of those, 67.9 percent were victimized because of anti-black attitudes, and 20.1 percent were targets of anti-white sentiments.
Victims of religious intolerance made up 16.7 percent of the victims of incidents involving a single bias. Of those, 67.8 percent were victims of anti-Jewish bias, and 12.7 percent were targets of anti-Islamic bias.
More troubling information from another
report suggesting corrupted figures:
And a just-completed survey of the 50 states and the District of Columbia by the Intelligence Report illustrates how the system, already hobbled by the voluntary nature of reporting, is riddled with errors, failures to pass along information, misunderstanding of what constitutes a hate crime and even outright falsification of data.
While the published hate crime totals have been running recently at some 8,000 cases a year, the real figure is probably closer to 50,000.
[...]
Hate crime statistics published by the FBI since 1992, based on voluntary reports from law enforcement agencies around the country, have shown annual totals of about 6,000 to 10,000, depending on the year. But the new report, "Hate Crimes Reported by Victims and Police," found an average annual total of 191,000 hate crimes. That means the real level of hate crime runs between 19 and 31 times higher than the numbers that have been officially reported for almost 15 years.
[...]
As Jack Levin points out, for example, Northern states generally do a better job of reporting than Southern ones. Because it's believed that black-on-white hate crimes are more prevalent in the North than the South, Levin thinks "hate crimes against whites may be overestimated" as a result.
Reporting in the South:
The gaping holes in the reporting system have been no secret. Alabama, for instance, has not reported a hate crime for years — including 1999, the year when Billy Jack Gaither was savagely beaten to death and his body set afire in a notorious anti-gay murder in the town of Sylacauga.
Quite apart from the obvious bias involved in the Gaither murder, it was hardly plausible that Alabama had zero hate crimes in the same year that California recorded 2,295 such offenses.
Then, in September 2000, a virtually unnoticed academic study funded by the Justice Department found a "major information gap" in hate crime reporting. Based on a survey of 2,657 law enforcement agencies, the study estimated that some 37% of agencies that did not submit reports nevertheless had at least one hate crime. In addition, about 31% of the agencies with reports of zero hate crimes did, in fact, have at least one.
The study's co-authors — the Center for Criminal Justice Policy Research at Northeastern University and the Justice Research and Statistics Association in Washington, D.C. — estimated that almost 6,000 law enforcement agencies likely experienced at least one hate crime that went unreported.
To be honest, if whites were being regularly attacked, I'm pretty sure the military would be sent into ghettos. US is a racist nation and the myth that blacks are a threat to whites has been used to prop up the prison-industrial complex. The truth is, the reason why these cities are so terrible is due to economic drought that's much longer than the current economic "crisis".
salt lake city, Utah only 4% black - murder rate is higher than national average
Hampton, new hamsphire only 0.39% black - rape is 2.34x the national average
Anchorage, Alaska population of 271 000, 234 forcible rape crimes almost 3x national average only 6% of population is black can you tell me these crimes predominately involve the black population??.....I digress.....
How about the fact that Salt Lake City has a large Hispanic population? That shouldn't be too surprising when strolling around there.
In addition, you're not using a standard indicator at all. Rape is a sketchy topic and is hard to determine. Women usually don't report rape. The probability of a woman getting raped is high virtually everywhere.
Let's stop using exceptions. I am familiar with high rates of crime in Appalachian regions, which have black populations. However it makes more sense to use the norm rather than exceptions.
The point is this. The thread title is "the most dangerous neighourhoods", race is irrelevant, you are the first and hopefully the last to reference race. Toronto is nowhere close to other US cities, in fact not even close to other Canadian cities.
How is race irrelevant? Toronto isn't one damn city. Sure it's multi-ethnic, but it's certainly not integrated.
I don't know how Alexandra Park, Jane N' Finch, etc represent integration. I suggest you read
this and it gets clear that this is just the beginning. Since Asian and Hispanic migrants tend to be more recent, their crime rates tend to be lower. However that's going to change as this continues to develop and be ignored:
By Michael Valpy
The Globe and Mail (Canada), February 22, 2006
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060222.INCOME22/TPStory/?query=
Toronto -- Canadian-born visible minorities face the highest barriers to steady, well-paying jobs of any group in the country, a circumstance expected to worsen as huge numbers of non-white young people enter the labour market, says a Canadian Labour Congress study to be released today.
[...]
Ms. Cheung finds that Canadian-born visible minority workers, unlike immigrant visible minority workers, are overrepresented in part-time and temporary jobs even though as a group they have the highest proportion of people in the 25-to-44 age group with a bachelor's degree or higher -- 37.5 per cent, compared with 31.5 per cent who are immigrant visible minorities and 19.1 per cent of native-born whites.
Yes the murder rate amongst black youths in Toronto IS alarming and should not be ignored. Maybe you should create a thread about this subject, I and others too, would gladly participate in this matter.
May do that in a bit. The problem is that unlike in the US, race is a taboo topic in Canada. That tells you how much racism runs in those spheres.
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