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Okay ... or short-term cases.

But what do you do with the unemployable, the mentally ill, the disabled, etc. Just slowly starve them to death?

Don't be so dramatic, no one 'starves' to death in Canada.

There are disability pensions for those eligible, and there is CAMH for those that are not fit to take care of themselves.

I've said numerous times that that there will always be a segment of society that will always require help', and the reality is that we'll have to take care of them and put into affordable housing, social programs etc.

I'm just trying to bring in some perspective from one of the posters comparing our social system to those that live in Favellas in Brazil... Big difference!
 
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Sorry 'bout that. I thought we were all operating on the assumption that you're his sock-puppet or vice-versa, but I guess it's possible that there are two of you. In any event, I note that this persona didn't even comment on the Pantalone-on-the-bus thing. My bad.

No one cares whether Joe Pantalone uses public transit, isn't that a given if he's running largely on a platform of commuters using transit over the car? Where would one even have parked closeby Woodbine Park on Victoria Day and not have to contend with a sea of pedestrians? It's common-sense to leave the car at home in such an event. I'm no one's sock-puppet, btw, just someone dissatisfied with municipal politics after 8 years of Miller and co.
 
Okay ... or short-term cases.

But what do you do with the unemployable, the mentally ill, the disabled, etc. Just slowly starve them to death?

I'm also guessing js97 wasn't supporting any children while on wellfare, though I could be wrong and I wouldn't want to put words in his/her mouth.

To break away from this "socialists" vs. Ford argument that's dominating pretty much every thread on municipal politics right now (and even some others, unfortunately), does anyone know anything about the various candidates' plans for the future of the tower renewal program?
 
I really like Rocco Rossi. Although his ties to Ignatieff may hurt him with some potential voters it actually makes me very happy as I really like Iggy. Also, his key values on debt reduction will be truly beneficial to the city along with decongesting downtown. Rossi can bring the jobs in too, I hope. Toronto needs to continue attracting fresh business leaders and I think Rossi can do that. Not to mention, he's quite well educated having gone to a great Ontario private school, McGill and Princeton. Can't knock his credentials on that one. I look forward to seeing his name on the ballot.
 
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Ah, you reminded me - I need to do some research and send some emails to determine if any of the mayoral candidates send their kids to private elementary or secondary schools. I won't vote for anyone who does or is planning to do so. (Barring special educational requirements like learning disabilities, etc.)
 
well of course they're sending their kids to private schools. They'll say it's to keep them out of the media spotlight, but really its cause they're better
 
In case anyone thought Pantalone was a serious mayoral candidate:

Pantalone rules out road tolls
Mayoral hopeful says province must pay for transit expansion

Published On Fri Jun 11 2010

David Rider
Urban Affairs Bureau Chief

Mayoral candidate Joe Pantalone is ruling out road tolls on the Gardiner Expressway and Don Valley Parkway as a means to fund transit expansion, saying Toronto must pressure Queen’s Park to pay the tab.

Pantalone, the deputy mayor and a veteran councillor, was asked after a breakfast speech to the Toronto Board of Trade on Friday morning where, as mayor, he would find money for the Transit City light-rail expansion and beyond.

The Board of Trade has said the problems of gridlock and inadequate public transit are dire enough that unpopular measures, including road tolls, parking charges, a 1-per-cent regional sales tax or a 10 cent gas tax, need to be discussed.

Pantalone disagreed; noting only 8 cents of every dollar paid in income taxes flows back to cities. The provincial and federal governments get the rest and they should be pressured to pay for transit infrastructure, not Toronto residents through additional charges.

“I don’t accept the fact that the municipal governments which get 8 per cent of all the taxes paid should be paying for transit . . . Frankly, if we accept that we’re dead,” said Pantalone, who has not yet released a detailed transit policy.

Later, he told reporters he believes tolls would be unfair to suburban motorists who need to get in and out of downtown, saying such levies would make sense only if they were regional, on cars entering the GTA.

Speaking to a modest crowd of 80 businesspeople, the one-time NDP provincial candidate portrayed himself as a progressive who would continue Mayor David Miller’s legacy, but also a good friend of business. He noted his work making Exhibition Place and BMO Field successful.

Pantalone said his “bull in a china shop” rivals “stand for instability” and risk ruining Toronto’s status as a great city with drastic measures such as selling Toronto Hydro. “Small incremental changes will make a big difference over time,” he said, touting the city’s “amazing” civil service.

Pantalone rejected the board of trade’s belief — no doubt shared by many in the be-suited crowd — that City Hall spending is out of control. Toronto’s annual operating budget has grown from $6 billion to $9.2 billion during Miller’s seven years in office.

Again blaming senior governments for not giving Toronto its fair share of income tax revenues, Pantalone said: “We don’t have a spending problem in Toronto. We have revenue problem.”

He also took direct shots at some of his rivals, saying right-wing councillor Rob Ford thinks “no government is good government” and would never be able to marshal the majority 23 council votes needed to get initiatives passed.

George Smitherman is a “pushy fellow” who did nothing to help Toronto when he was “the premier’s right-hand man” as deputy premier. Rocco Rossi’s vow to create 250,000 jobs is absurd because the private sector, not government, creates jobs, Pantalone said.

He got the loudest applause while trumpeting his successful motion to let bars start serving alcohol at 10 a.m. during the World Cup. After the speech, Pantalone went to a Bloor St. W. bar and raised a Heineken as the tournament kicked off with host South Africa playing Mexico.
 
One thing about Rossi worth noting: way back at the Good Friday procession-of-the-cross, he was marching together with Art Eggleton--I suppose that counts as an endorsement, or something...
 
Ah, you reminded me - I need to do some research and send some emails to determine if any of the mayoral candidates send their kids to private elementary or secondary schools. I won't vote for anyone who does or is planning to do so.
Hmm ... an interesting thought. I'm not sure the logic though - education is a provincial responsibility; there's little influence, if any, the mayor has on curriculum and policy. So if one is opposed to the teacher-centric system where they force-feed you curriculum every day until they brain wash you ..., the you wouldn't want them?

You'd prefer followers to thinkers?
 

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