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Here's the thing. We aren't that slow relative to other western countries. Compared to the US, sure, but they had every reason to be extremely aggressive about it.
With a year of Trump's incompetent leadership over the US response it's terrible that we're this behind them. And forget the US, in the UK over 80% residents over the age of 70 have now been partially or fully vaccinated. They're now working through their essential workers and younger seniors.
The above all said, if they're all vaccinated by July, we'll have all the doses we need shortly after. Pfizer will then be free to ship doses from the US to Canada. In short, the faster they have all they need, the faster the rest of the world will be able to get what they need.
Canada is not some poor, underdeveloped beggar nation waiting for the West's handouts, at least we shouldn't be FFS. We've gone from the inventor of vaccines to holding our hand out at the city gates, jeez.

This is where successive penny pinching governments in Ottawa have gotten us. I hope when this is done we maintain a robust and agile domestic vaccine production capability and PPE stockpile.
 
Canada is not some poor, underdeveloped beggar nation waiting for the West's handouts, at least we shouldn't be FFS.

No, we aren't. But due to our lack of production abilities (thanks, Mulroney!) we're beholden to production facilities in the US and EU, both of which are being mighty protectionist lately.

We've gone from the inventor of vaccines to holding our hand out at the city gates, jeez.
We aren't the inventor of vaccines. The modern vaccine (Salk/polio) was invented in the US and Jonas Salk was a US Citizen. The Jenner smallpox vaccine was likewise England. Yes, we were a leader in producing them after Salk, but we didn't invent them.

This is where successive penny pinching governments in Ottawa have gotten us. I hope when this is done we maintain a robust and agile domestic vaccine production capability and PPE stockpile.
I agree about the penny pinching governments. We need fundamental change in our funding of government and our priorities. We also need to have a taxation plan that benefits society as a whole that's protected from political shenanigans, and we need more rights added to the Charter; namely the (individual) right to housing and the right to a living wage. UBI as a means-test-free backstop. The pandemic has shoved a crowbar knuckles deep into the cracks of the system, and we aren't ever going to move forward until those cracks are addressed. All of them. A population fighting over scraps distracts from the greater needs of the country.
 

The employer with Toronto’s largest COVID-19 outbreak doesn’t have paid sick days. What does new data tell us about which workplaces are hardest hit?

From link.

The site of Toronto’s largest workplace outbreak does not provide workers with paid sick days — a protection the city’s medical officer has called “critical” to slow the spread of COVID-19.

Some 94 workers at North York food processor Belmont Meats have tested positive for the virus; 12 of those cases are linked to the extra-contagious B.1.1.7 variant.

Toronto Public Health began publishing a list of all active workplace outbreaks last week. The four largest outbreaks are at food manufacturers or distributors: Belmont Meats, Dimpflmeier Bakery, Johnvince Foods and Maple Leaf Foods.

At least two — Belmont and Maple Leaf — do not offer paid sick leave, the union representing workers there confirmed.

Neither Johnvince Foods, a wholesaler, distributor and retailer where 83 workers have tested positive, nor Dimpflmeier Bakery, with more than 50 cases, responded to detailed questions from the Star. Dimpflmeier Bakery’s collective agreement does not mention paid sick days.

“We need urgent policy interventions because any other response would be unjust and inequitable, and hurt the most vulnerable groups,” said Dr. Amanpreet Brar, a resident at the University of Toronto’s department of surgery.

As Ontario’s legislature resumed Tuesday, Premier Doug Ford said in an interview with CTV News that provincially mandated paid sick days would be a “waste of taxpayers money” and duplicate a temporary federal sickness benefit available to self-isolating workers.

But a January report by Dr. Eileen de Villa, Toronto’s medical officer of health, noted that the federal measure falls short because it does not provide immediate access to time off at no loss of income.

Workers at Belmont and Maple Leaf Foods, part of the United Food and Commercial Workers union, do have short-term illness benefits. Maple Leaf Foods is also providing salary top-ups to employees who must self-isolate and rely on the federal sickness benefit, which pays a maximum of $500 weekly for two weeks.

“Although workers are doing what they can to stay healthy and safe, the government could do more,” said UFCW spokesperson Joel Thelosen. “We call on the Ford government to immediately legislate paid sick days for all workers. Workers should not have to choose between their health and making ends meet.”

A Tuesday motion at Queen’s Park for unanimous consent to pass the NDP’s paid sick-leave bill sponsored was rejected, as worker advocates organized a car caravan outside the legislature to deliver a paid sick-day petition with more than 30,000 signatures.

Last week, the Association of Local Public Health Agencies, representing 34 public health units, called on the province to reinstate paid sick leave. Previously, Ontario workers had access to two paid sick days, a measure reversed by the Ford government in 2018.

Toronto Public Health is one of the few health units in the province to name all employers with workplace outbreaks on a weekly basis. It is also identifying temp agencies and sub-contractors when linked to an outbreak. The data shows three of the 25 cases at Maple Leaf Foods’ Stockyards-area plant involve temporary employees of Nova Staffing,

Temp agency president Steve Taylor said his firm “exceeded legislated COVID requirements set forth by the Ministry of Health” and requires employers it works with to do the same.

“Daily health monitors are in place at Nova to ensure employees are reviewed for their overall wellness,” he said. “We feel extremely confident in sending our employees to Maple Leaf because we know what a thorough and well-respected safety program they run.”

In a statement, Maple Leaf Foods’ vice-president of communications, Janet Riley, said the company has taken extensive precautions at its Toronto facility that employs some 800 permanent employees, including social distancing, three-ply or N-95 masks, disinfecting lights and upgraded air filters.

“Our use of temporary employees is minimal,” she added. “We hire temporary employees for the role ‘COVID Ambassador’ described above. These temporary employees work in employee welfare areas like the cafeterias and change rooms. They do not work on the production floor.”

Brar said greater transparency from health units around workplace outbreaks, including those involving temp workers, was critical to finding solutions.

“There has been lack of data with regards to temporary agencies and oftentimes temp workers feel that neither employer nor temp agency assumes full responsibility or accountability for their work,” she said.

The Star contacted all 16 employers currently in outbreak in Toronto, and asked about paid sick-leave policy and whether the company uses temp agencies. Twelve of the workplaces are manufacturers, a sector where lockdown regulations do not apply.

Most employers did not respond to the Star’s questions including Belmont Meats, which temporarily closed at the end of January as a result of its outbreak.

Both CIBC (12 cases) and March of Dimes (four) said they provide workers with paid sick days.
Skin manufacturer DECIEM, where 18 workers have recently tested positive, said it also provides all workers — including temp agency workers, part-time workers and casual workers — with paid sick days. A total of 155 workers at the company have tested positive since last March, the company said in a statement to the Star.

“In only a few of these cases, it was not possible to identify where the virus was contracted, meaning that Toronto Public Health was unable to eliminate the workplace as a possible place of contraction, regardless of whether any workplace transmission had occurred,” a DECIEM spokesperson said.

“Despite having confidence that none of these cases were transmitted within a DECIEM facility, we understand that Toronto Public Health is unable to rule this out publicly without confirmation of where the cases were contracted.”

Soaring caseloads forced some health units, including Toronto’s, to periodically suspend or limit contact tracing, making it hard to establish the true scale of workplace spread.

The latest TPH data reaffirms the particular challenges faced in food manufacturers. The sector represents six of the city’s current workplace outbreaks, including “beverage and liquid food” maker Ya Ya Foods with 12 cases, and industrial bakery Upper Crust, a Fiera Foods affiliate, with two cases.

Across the continent, meat packers have been especially ravaged by the virus. Last spring, some 951 workers at Cargill’s High River, Alta., plant tested positive for the virus, the largest outbreak in the country.

Jason Foster, an occupational safety expert and professor at Athabasca University in Alberta, is researching the High River outbreak — and said employers in the sector are often particularly resistant to offering paid sick days.

“They can’t afford to have too many workers calling in sick,” he said. “It starts to jeopardize the line speed, because they need those bodies to be able to kind of keep production up.

“We need the government to legislate and regulate these kinds of protections for workers because it isn't going to happen any other way.”

Occupational Health Clinics for Ontario Workers occupational hygienist John Oudyk said meat packers also tend to struggle with the “three Cs: close contact, crowded spaces and enclosed areas.”

His research prior to the pandemic on workplace stressors consistently found that workers in all sectors reported going to their job ill if they did not have paid sick days.

“It was a problem before,” he said. “It was just magnified with COVID.”

That problem is now particularly intense in “precarious sectors, from food processing, transportation, to manufacturing,” said Brar.

“This tells me that lack of policies regarding employment security, livable wages and paid sick days are a matter of socioeconomic and racial justice.”
 
My friend in Texas got her second Covid vaccine shot. She sent me this message.


Day two of second dose of Pfizer: I am not feeling my best. Running fever, chills, body aches, a massive headache, and overall just feel like I have been hit by a bus.

Vaccine side effects are actually good:

 
My friend in Texas got her second Covid vaccine shot. She sent me this message.


Day two of second dose of Pfizer: I am not feeling my best. Running fever, chills, body aches, a massive headache, and overall just feel like I have been hit by a bus.

Vaccine side effects are actually good:

 
No, we aren't. But due to our lack of production abilities (thanks, Mulroney!) we're beholden to production facilities in the US and EU, both of which are being mighty protectionist lately.


We aren't the inventor of vaccines. The modern vaccine (Salk/polio) was invented in the US and Jonas Salk was a US Citizen. The Jenner smallpox vaccine was likewise England. Yes, we were a leader in producing them after Salk, but we didn't invent them.


I agree about the penny pinching governments. We need fundamental change in our funding of government and our priorities. We also need to have a taxation plan that benefits society as a whole that's protected from political shenanigans, and we need more rights added to the Charter; namely the (individual) right to housing and the right to a living wage. UBI as a means-test-free backstop. The pandemic has shoved a crowbar knuckles deep into the cracks of the system, and we aren't ever going to move forward until those cracks are addressed. All of them. A population fighting over scraps distracts from the greater needs of the country.

Said it before - even if we have production abilities, it doesn't mean it is the right kind for the mRNA vaccines (ex. Pfizer and Moderna); nor is the success of domestically created vaccine guaranteed. What we need is better capacity to adapt to whatever works anywhere else.

AoD
 
Said it before - even if we have production abilities, it doesn't mean it is the right kind for the mRNA vaccines (ex. Pfizer and Moderna); nor is the success of domestically created vaccine guaranteed. What we need is better capacity to adapt to whatever works anywhere else.
AIUI, no one was producing and distributing mRNA vaccines until Covid19. Supporting your second point, it was the UK, USA and EU labs preliminary research on mRNA vaccines that gave them the edge. That's Canada's failing.
 
My friend in Texas got her second Covid vaccine shot. She sent me this message.


Day two of second dose of Pfizer: I am not feeling my best. Running fever, chills, body aches, a massive headache, and overall just feel like I have been hit by a bus.

Vaccine side effects are actually good:

Apparently it’s made dramatically reduced with the use of NSAIDS (Aspirin, Ibuprofen, etc.)
 
AIUI, no one was producing and distributing mRNA vaccines until Covid19. Supporting your second point, it was the UK, USA and EU labs preliminary research on mRNA vaccines that gave them the edge. That's Canada's failing.

As a small-ish country Canada cannot hope to be as good in R&D in everything as UK/USA/EU - we simply do not have the economy of scale to be a jack-of-all-trades (and R&D is a gamble in and on its' own - just look at the history of mRNA vaccine - it was a dark horse)

AoD
 
As a small-ish country Canada cannot hope to be as good in R&D in everything as UK/USA/EU - we simply do not have the economy of scale to be a jack-of-all-trades (and R&D is a gamble in and on its' own - just look at the history of mRNA vaccine - it was a dark horse)

AoD

I'm not sure how far I want to go down this 'smallish' line of thinking.

Canada has the 10th largest economy on the planet.

If we look at GDP per capita, we're about 17th (nominal)

If we look at the same, but then remove any country that is materially smaller than us in population..........

We'd be 3rd behind only the U.S. and Germany (GDP per capita, 'larger' countries.)

Its certainly true we can't be the best at everything; its equally true we're dwarfed in resources by the Americans.

But after that; we're very much in the conversation; should we choose to be; in any potential area of investment.
 
I'm not sure how far I want to go down this 'smallish' line of thinking.

Canada has the 10th largest economy on the planet.

If we look at GDP per capita, we're about 17th (nominal)

If we look at the same, but then remove any country that is materially smaller than us in population..........

We'd be 3rd behind only the U.S. and Germany (GDP per capita, 'larger' countries.)

Its certainly true we can't be the best at everything; its equally true we're dwarfed in resources by the Americans.

But after that; we're very much in the conversation; should we choose to be; in any potential area of investment.

Canada is also quite conservative and risk adverse - can you imagine government sinking millions into gambles like mRNA technology with no hindsight and no pandemic in sight? It is telling that it wasn't governments that had made this work - but private companies (a pharma megacorp in one hand, a VC driven biotech company in another) with less aversion to risk.

Personally I think one can't expect government to drive this type of innovation - at best I think you'd end up with something more conventional, like the Oxford/AZ type.

AoD
 
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Canada is also quite conservative and risk adverse - can you imagine government sinking millions into gambles like mRNA technology with no hindsight and no pandemic in sight? It is telling that it wasn't governments that had made this work - but private companies (a pharma megacorp in one hand, a VC driven biotech company in another) with less aversion to risk.

AoD

Can be true; also true, we're one of the global leaders in A.I; and fairly far along in stem-cell research too.

That's been driven by University-based research and a number of small (and growing) companies that incubated alongside that research.

So we may not be inclined to go the bolder route; but its not as if we can't, or haven't before.
 
Can be true; also true, we're one of the global leaders in A.I; and fairly far along in stem-cell research too.

That's been driven by University-based research and a number of small (and growing) companies that incubated alongside that research.

So we may not be inclined to go the bolder route; but its not as if we can't, or haven't before.

Our governments had bet big on some areas - because of economic benefits. Vaccine technology simply isn't being viewed as one of those areas. It's one of these fields that one doesn't care about until you have to (like now). A re-calibration is clearly in order.

AoD
 
Said it before - even if we have production abilities, it doesn't mean it is the right kind for the mRNA vaccines (ex. Pfizer and Moderna); nor is the success of domestically created vaccine guaranteed. What we need is better capacity to adapt to whatever works anywhere else.

AoD
Having *any* kind of production facilities is a pretty big hurdle to start with. Incubation/generation may be different but the huge packaging machinery is still gonna be relatively the same. It also creates more incentive for outside companies to play fairly as well as compete. It creates bargaining power, and doesn’t leave as much room for terrible contracts that leave advantages up for the taking by pharma companies (see Canada’s quarterly dose quota vs monthly for more competitive countries).
 
As a small-ish country Canada cannot hope to be as good in R&D in everything as UK/USA/EU - we simply do not have the economy of scale to be a jack-of-all-trades (and R&D is a gamble in and on its' own - just look at the history of mRNA vaccine - it was a dark horse)

AoD
At (per Wikipedia) 67 million people and a GDP of US$2.979 trillion, the UK isn’t massively larger than Canada (38 million, GDP $1.808 trillion). If Oxford University and Astra-Zeneca, both headquartered in the UK can make a vaccine, I’d like to see Canada give it a shot.
 

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