AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
The problem is nobody wants to "own" this issue and be the first - especially when resolving the issue will likely require - and leading to violence.
Tow trucks companies have already said that they won't be involved.
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The problem is nobody wants to "own" this issue and be the first - especially when resolving the issue will likely require - and leading to violence.
Tow trucks companies have already said that they won't be involved.
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Richard White
Senior Member
True but none of the usual methods are working. Send in the military and watch how fast the convoy disbands.
They know the police won't do anything but putting troops in the street changes things. It goes from pacifism to meaning business in an instant.
I don't quite think the convoy is expecting Trudeau to call in the military and as a result I doubt they are capable of dealing with it.
A major escalation by the feds will kill this protest in an instant. I doubt they are willing to go up against the Canadian Armed Forces.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It would, though invoking the Emergencies Act will require it being dragged through Parliament and tested by the courts. It might not be a fast process (and dicey in a minority). Also, deploying the CAF also comes with image issues (though at this point it's bit of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation) - just think how our adversaries will be able to take advantage and say "see, these so called "western democracies" have to deploy the army against their people" the next time we criticize their behaviour.
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AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
From the Globe:
www.theglobeandmail.com
I think it is time to mobilize the forces and deal with the border first - and make it clear and in no uncertain terms that overwhelming force will be used if necessary, and that any injury to person or property is solely the responsibility of the party involved in illegal blockades.
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Windsor seeking injunction to end convoy protest blocking Ambassador Bridge
Authorities scramble to try to get ahead of spiralling border protests that now cover three provinces
www.theglobeandmail.com
I think it is time to mobilize the forces and deal with the border first - and make it clear and in no uncertain terms that overwhelming force will be used if necessary, and that any injury to person or property is solely the responsibility of the party involved in illegal blockades.
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Richard White
Senior Member
From the Globe:
Windsor seeking injunction to end convoy protest blocking Ambassador Bridge
Authorities scramble to try to get ahead of spiralling border protests that now cover three provinces
I think it is time to mobilize the forces and deal with the border first - and make it clear and in no uncertain terms that overwhelming force will be used if necessary, and that any injury to person or property is solely the responsibility of the party involved in illegal blockades.
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You know it is bad when both the left and the right (to a certain extent) come together to condemn an incident.
This is a blatant National Security issue. The supply chain has been cut off, the nations capital is occupied and there is talk of occupying the financial heart of this country.
This is not a protest, this is an occupation by people who have put alot of thought and organization into things. These are not people who are shouting with signs in their hand, these are people who know what they are doing and are hellbent on causing harm.
I am not one for violence but I say bring in the Military and fire warning shots at their trucks. Watch how quickly they stop what they are doing.
Northern Light
Superstar
Yes, it is; but its also something more.
Definitely true in respect of some of the organizing forces.
Again, simply not necessary. This can be shut down w/o use of the military, its entirely a political choice.
Notwithstanding that politicians are not supposed to give 'operational' orders to police on such things, its very clear that in such matters political leadership will be consulted. If the will to clear the blockades etc is there, it can be done.
gabe
Senior Member
Alright, time to call in the military, clear them out of the damn bridge and have them arrested, throw them in jail and ask them how do you like your freedom now? Thousands of people are being financially impacted. Business are going to lose millions of dollars.
The US called in national guard when the BLM losers rioted and burned down buildings, it's time we do the same.
The US called in national guard when the BLM losers rioted and burned down buildings, it's time we do the same.
Aren’t these auto workers (and others) the very people they are supposed to be helping? Great tactic to get people on your side … put them out of work!
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
It was never about those people in the first place - everyone knows that logistic challenges notwithstanding, it never ever came to a grinding halt. These actions undertaken right now (blocking borders, etc) are always about creating chaos.
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afransen
Senior Member
This is verging on terrorism.
True, but saying it was about the average person garnered them a lot of support …. Because people didn’t “do their own research” to see who was behind all of this and what they really wanted, including their manifesto. It’s not like you had to dig deep or that it was a secret. It’s sad how many people thought they would get their gas money refunded or that this was simply about needing a vaccine to cross the border. I hope they enjoyed their moment standing on an overpass, waving a flag.
yrt+viva=1system
Senior Member
Apparently towing companies/personnel are refusing to tow even under contract to the city.
tiffer24
Senior Member
So much freedom.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Cabinet can make the declaration. You are correct that there are significant implications for using the military against the citizenry, but they would still be in 'aid of the civil power' as covered under that National Defence Act.
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
This: "The trench warfare against human reason," should be written down for all eternity whenever discussing this. And plastered on every politician, pundit and internet apologist's forehead who thinks there's both sides to this, regardless of their stripes, IMO.Scrolled through the last few pages. Don't think anyone posted any recognition for this young hero.
Meet the 21-year-old Ottawa woman who stopped the horns
“If that something is to be a voice and be a face—and even be even a target—for people to understand what really is going on here, I was more than willing to do so.”ottawa.ctvnews.ca
Outsmarted and outwitted several levels of government, bureaucracy, and police force in defense of her fellow citizens. Deserves all the plaudits.
Also, this is largely a Toronto forum, so I thought this post was insightful about the reality of the protest for the residents of Centretown:
...and hear, hear!