robmausser
Senior Member
I can guarantee that way more than 100 people drive from Orangeville to Toronto for work. (pre pandemic)
If you still have lost the plot then you won't understand my previous message nor will you ever.
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I can guarantee that way more than 100 people drive from Orangeville to Toronto for work. (pre pandemic)
If you still have lost the plot then you won't understand my previous message nor will you ever.
robmausser
Senior Member
ShonTron
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1. If you don’t think that people don’t want to take a bus, I suggest you read about the outrage when GO Transit planned to eliminate the peak-direction Hamilton QEW express buses.
2. Yes.
robmausser
Senior Member
1. That doesnt mean people want to take a bus. There are many factors, and its been proven time and again that most people who take the bus typically cant afford to own a car, and more people who own a car take the train. The different modes of transportation have different ridership numbers based upon factors that are specific to the very different modes of transportation that they are, from a psychological and marketing perspective. You can't just look at the numbers for one mode and extrapolate it to another.
If you replaced buses on the Lakeshore Line for example and the buses got to their destination as quickly as the trains, cost the same as the trains, and came as frequently as the trains, ridership would drop significantly. "Car people" typically do not like buses. Orangevillians are car people, if you look at the demographics.
jamincan
Active Member
As a cyclist, it would be great to have a connecting trail between the Elora-Cataract Trail and the Caledon Trailway, and the ROW between those points would be spectacular.
robmausser
Senior Member
Absolutely. Im not even saying a GO train would be warranted to Orangeville. Knowing the population it most likely wouldnt.
All im saying is you cant take X data and just extrapolate it to Y solution, when there are so many other variables involved.
OntarioOnTheMove
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Ontario company interested in purchasing Orangeville Railway
By Sam Odrowski Public transit often comes in one of two forms – bus or train, but a brand new technology is merging the two together to create a less expensive and more profitable method of trans…
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Bordercollie
Senior Member
Why reinvent the wheel? Just put a light weight vehicle that runs on rails and make it easy to transfer. No need for a hybrid rail bus. I will believe it when I see it.Ontario company interested in purchasing Orangeville Railway
By Sam Odrowski Public transit often comes in one of two forms – bus or train, but a brand new technology is merging the two together to create a less expensive and more profitable method of trans…
north-of-anything
Active Member
It sounds ridiculous, but I think it's worth hearing out. Even if it ends up just being a one-off technology that doesn't get picked up anywhere else, it's a neat gimmick that puts the corridor to use to move people. This also might solve the problem of how to connect the line to GO, since if the vehicle was restricted to rail there would probably be a need for a third track from Britannia to Streetsville Station. A bus-train hybrid could leave the track at Derry Road and connect to Meadowvale Station, or at Mississauga Road to make local stops throughout Streetsville, and perhaps even continuing southwards to Dundas Street.
While having the corridor become a GO route or something would be much better, it doesn't look like that's an option right now, and this may be the only way to potentially keep the tracks in place.
While having the corridor become a GO route or something would be much better, it doesn't look like that's an option right now, and this may be the only way to potentially keep the tracks in place.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
You would be better off running DMU'S. You can have a situation like in Ottawa where freight trains don't run at the same time or street cars like in Waterloo.
Rainforest
Senior Member
They say their technology can work with the single track, while a standard light rail line will require 2 tracks and maybe the space is just not there.
I agree with the last statement - will believe that when we see it, but on the other hand, why not let them try. It's not like they are overwriting an existing transit plan.
Bordercollie
Senior Member
If it's going to be a commuter line most traffic will be north to south in the morning and then the opposite in the afternoon.
Why do you need two tracks ? You could also have the trains meet at the station and build a passing track at the stations which would reduce costs.
Rainforest
Senior Member
They only want to run between Mississauga and Brampton, not all the way to Orangeville.
This kind of service needs to be reasonably frequent, in the 5-10 min range at least. Otherwise people will opt for the existing bus routes. If the vehicle needs a siding every 2.5-5 min to bypass another vehicle running the other way, that's a lot of sidings to add. And the desired locations (evenly spaced) may not be always availble in the urban zone.
north-of-anything
Active Member
Using the existing track leading up to Streetsville is probably not an option since the track merges with the existing CP rail before then. Building tracks all the way from the junction to Streetsville would be more expensive than buying these ULRTs. This isn't a maglev, it's a bus with an extra set of metal wheels. We can't keep dismissing potential solutions just because they've never been done in the GTA before.
2transpo
New Member
If these proposed vehicles are busses, why not just do a similar route on the road?