Rainforest
Senior Member
Feels like one needs a helicopter to accomplish that.
Unless the trip took place in the middle of the night, during relatively light traffic.
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Feels like one needs a helicopter to accomplish that.
Unless the trip took place in the middle of the night, during relatively light traffic.
cplchanb
Senior Member
That's like over 150km/h avg speed
generalcanada
Senior Member
Un projet de train à grande vitesse entre Québec et Toronto
Le gouvernement fédéral confirmera au cours des prochaines semaines ce projet de train très fréquent pouvant atteindre la vitesse de 300 km/h.
ici.radio-canada.ca
Sounds like full high-speed it is.
"much cheaper than initially expected". Wasnt the original price quoted somewhere around 40 Billion?
afransen
Senior Member
We of course have to wait for PP to say so, but we really oughtn't get our hopes up. $10-20B+ investment in intercity rail is not likely to be high on his government's priority list. Trudeau can announce anything he likes. His government won't be around to deliver it.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I suspect they will be going the route of 300km/h in the areas it's cheap to build and slower closer to major cities to cut major costs.
I.e. avoid a repeat of California HSR / HS2 where half the alignment is tunneled to achieve 300km/h for the entire corridor.
I.e. avoid a repeat of California HSR / HS2 where half the alignment is tunneled to achieve 300km/h for the entire corridor.
rdaner
Senior Member
Would this stop in Ottawa? 3 hours from centre to centre is great! Let’s not forget that this is a service that woold generate funds so the pricetag needs to be seen in context.
chrisw
Active Member
nfitz
Superstar
Ottawa is certainly a stop; if not the terminus for some trains.
Whether all the runs will stop in Ottawa is not yet clear. Or if the 3-hours Toronto-Montreal includes an Ottawa stop. I wouldn't be surprised if they they do announce this with a 3-hour travel time, is that it's an aspirational time for the future, once further upgrades are made as a potential future phase.
cplchanb
Senior Member
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/high-speed-rail-canada-1.7365835Un projet de train à grande vitesse entre Québec et Toronto
Le gouvernement fédéral confirmera au cours des prochaines semaines ce projet de train très fréquent pouvant atteindre la vitesse de 300 km/h.
Sounds like full high-speed it is.
"much cheaper than initially expected". Wasnt the original price quoted somewhere around 40 Billion?
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Urban Sky
Senior Member
As I just wrote in the VIA Rail thread, it unfortunately matters preciously little what the outgoing government wants to plan & design, but what the next government is willing to fund…Un projet de train à grande vitesse entre Québec et Toronto
Le gouvernement fédéral confirmera au cours des prochaines semaines ce projet de train très fréquent pouvant atteindre la vitesse de 300 km/h.
Sounds like full high-speed it is.
The Ecotrain study estimated capital costs of $10.8 billions in 2009 prices, which translates to $15 billion (but in my observation, capital cost estimates for HSR in this country usually rises by twice the CPI increase between two subsequent HSR studies, which would bring us above $20 billions):
As I keep arguing here, having trains skip Ottawa will loose you much more MO and OT passengers than the modest travel time saving of, say, less than 15 minutes will make you gain in MT travellers.
nfitz
Superstar
Unless the current government goes the PPP route, and puts in a very hefty poison pill, similar to what the Liberals did the the LRT projects that the Conservatives inherited. And (though not PPP) what the City of Toronto did with the Flexity streetcar purchase before Rob Ford became mayor.
Though I'm not sure the current government has enough gumption for that.
On one hand I agree. On the other hand, I don't see how you'd get 3 hours with stopping + getting out of Toronto + that infernal post-Bonaventure station 270° loop into Central Station. That would mean they could run the occasional express in 165 minutes if they just ran through Ottawa as fast as the track would allow.
If it's actual real as part of the current contract, perhaps it's for Summerhill station to a new station at Ville St. Pierre metro!
guavadelic
New Member
The details will matter here, but promising nonetheless. Long overdue project.
The executives in charge of the project have been signalling this was the case for the past year.
A bummer though is the timeline being proposed. If it'll take 5-6 years to design and obtain permits, then 5-6 years for the initial segment (OTT-MTL?), this HSR likely won't reach Toronto until the 2040s.
I do wonder which group they went with:
The executives in charge of the project have been signalling this was the case for the past year.
A bummer though is the timeline being proposed. If it'll take 5-6 years to design and obtain permits, then 5-6 years for the initial segment (OTT-MTL?), this HSR likely won't reach Toronto until the 2040s.
I do wonder which group they went with:
Picking Cadence, which includes SNC-Lavalin and its controversal history, might doom the project. The opponets of the project would have a field day.
guavadelic
New Member
The contracts could be structured in such a way to make it difficult to cancel. They could invest a significant sum upfront as part of the "co-development" phase, for example. A future government would find it tough to write off billions in commited money.
I also wouldn't be quick to assume PP would rush to cancel HSR. Danielle Smith, Alberta Premiere and fellow populist, is enthusiastic about HSR in Alberta. The federal conservatives could go ahead with it and use it to knock the Trudeau Liberals for their failure to start construction on it during their 10 years in charge.
Adjei
Senior Member
Doug Ford should be ringing them up for a phase 2 or 3 to Windsor with stops at Pearson, Kitchener, and London.
cplchanb
Senior Member
That is the proper way