innsertnamehere
Superstar
You can also get around the ban by placing the signs far enough back. There are a few along the 400 placed a few hundred metres off the highway outside of the MTO Control area.
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Haljackey
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For I-278 in Brooklyn, it's the only way for trucks to get through that part of town, so the demand is there regardless of how many lanes you have.
If the Gardiner was removed, the truck demand for it would still be there but funneled on city streets instead. So now you have lots of big heavy trucks and logistics truckling clogging up city streets.
B1M channel did a good explanation of this
lenaitch
Senior Member
No clue what the city or provincial policy is or was, but I recall big billboards along the Gardiner way back into the 1970s. I think technical advancements has a lot to do with it.
I recall there were supposed to be another pair either at Shawanaga or Henvy Inlet. Maybe they're waiting for the highway to be finished.
As far as I'm concerned (not that it matters a whole lot), they are butt ugly. I think the FN was making a point. If they shifted the base back about 20' they would be on FNT property.
I don't know if the MTO has changed its policy or stopped caring, but I'm seeing an awful lot of signs quite close to the roadway, certainly closer than they used to be. Then there are the 'billboard vehicles parked along the ROW (several in Barrie). I don't know if they are a loophole or, again, the MTO no longer caring (or being told not to care).
Steve X
Senior Member
The Gardiner is not a provincial highway. The city doesn't feel people will get distracted with huge billboards and advertisements. Thus they have signs over BMO Field and such.
nfitz
Superstar
That's a bit of a technicality, as both the city and province have already agreed to make it a provincial highway, and only need to dot the 'i's and cross the 't's.
lenaitch
Senior Member
There are a number of elements of both the Gardiner and DVP that don't meet MTO design standards and will simply be grandfathered-in. Heck, there are parts of the provincial system that don't or no longer meet current standards. They are policy standards, not engineering limitations.
Haljackey
Active Member
Ontario Newsroom
news.ontario.ca
'no new tolls'
But existing ones stay. New builds like 413 and Bradford Bypass will be toll free.
I still believe the 407 between the 418 and 35/115 should also be toll free. 412 and 418 are now toll free routes to access the 407, and here you're essentially using the 407 to access the 407.
-This is the least used section of the 407 East project and very underused, so eliminating tolls on this stretch will also decrease volumes on 35/115 and put it on these roads where they can easily handle the traffic.
turbanplanner
Active Member
Does the grass advertising or whatever the hell you want to call it go against MTO guidelines?
reinventingthewheel
Active Member
These are owned and operated by CN.
Edit: looks like maybe another group manages it now. However they are considered topiary signs and do not require a sign permit according to this document
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turbanplanner
Active Member
Thank you! Interesting document about this sign in particular if anyone is curious
innsertnamehere
Superstar
MTO permits are different than City permits.
They likely would not be permitted on a 400-series highway. They will continue however post uploading as they will be grandfathered in.
chrisw
Active Member
Haljackey
Active Member
Ya looks like the city came to their senses... just barely and will approve some, but not all of the funding the LTC wants.
Highway-wise, London's only half-assed freeway- Highbury Avenue South- is getting rebuilt/rehabbed over the next few years. It's 100km/h and meets the 401 at traffic lights which is kinda dumb. The interchange rebuild will not fix this.
Elsewhere in the London area, work will finally begin this year to replace the Highway 4/401 cloverleaf, which is needed due to age and the desire to 6 lane the 401. It should help support the Amazon fulfillment centre which replaced the old Ford Talbotville plant as well as support the VW EV factory once the Highway 3 extension is completed. The Highway 3 expansion/new build is not even on the province's highway project map yet so it is likely still a long way off.
A notice of study completion was released recently however- https://www.highway3elgin.ca/resources/notice_of_completion.pdf
More deets- https://www.highway3elgin.ca/resources/pres_1308_Hwy3Elgin_PIC2_fnl_20231120.pdf
turini2
Active Member
PL1
Active Member
All legislation, including the supposed requirement for a referendum to permit tolls, can be changed by a future government.