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Well, let's see. I tend towards fiscal conservatism, I believe in managing money and spending it appropriately, and I'm neither young nor urban (although I will soon be the latter). I've watched Rob Ford's antics for years, and I think he is a loose cannon. I do not in any way, shape or form think he is fit to be mayor of Toronto, or any other city for that matter. I think he lacks leadership skills for one thing -- a major qualification for the job. What he does do well is rant, but he doesn't propose solutions, and he doesn't work well with others. I don't know who I'll be voting for yet, but it won't be Ford.
 
... Ok well I'm not sure what people have been mumbling about for the last few pages so let me just answer the original question:

Why is Rob Ford made out to be a villain on UT?

ANSWER:
- Rob Ford is a fiscal conservative while most people on UT are social progressives (Now I don't know for sure but they sure show a lot of the symptoms in these posts!).
- Rob Ford is more interested in how to manage money while most people here are interested in how to spend it
- UTers are in general younger and urban, thus favoring NDP-type policies - the polar opposite of Rob Ford's position
No ... many of the candidate can be characterized this way.

Ford is bashed because of who he is. He has violently shouted at and physically chased media who have disparaged him. He's publicly attacked gays. He's made the kind of racist comments that one expects only of a generation earlier than him. His community council attendance is poor. His comprehension of the issues is poor. His preparation for council is poor. He's been arrested and charged for beating his wife. He has abused people in public while drunk. He has been censored by council on many issues, including for violating spending guidelines.

The man is shit ... plain and simple. He isn't fit to represent Toronto.
 
I think generally you could find a deep correlation in people who support Ford and people who generally dislike what Toronto is today. People who oppose Ford probably have a better appreciation for the city in general.

What I find most alarming, though, is the way this underscores a huge disconnect between the downtown core and the suburbs. I'm not sure if there's any way a post-amalgmation mayoral candidate can truly satisfy both groups. The divide feels cavernous.
 
What I find most alarming, though, is the way this underscores a huge disconnect between the downtown core and the suburbs. I'm not sure if there's any way a post-amalgmation mayoral candidate can truly satisfy both groups. The divide feels cavernous.

Didn't stop Miller and Tory in 2003, though. Both of them struck a certain "bridge" dynamic, from their respective ends of the spectrum--in a way that marked a certain 416-wide political maturity following the more genuinely polarized Lastman vs Hall race of 1997.

I'd still caution against reading too much into Fordmania, this soon, esp. given the nature of the person--and I could just as well picture rightish voters opting to "throw" the election on behalf of Smitherman or even Pantalone and waiting until 2014 when they could elect a Mayor Mike Thompson instead. Sort of like how leftish voters threw 2000 on behalf of Mayor Mel's last term in office--I mean, a Mayor Tooker Gomberg would have been as impractically nutso a choice then as a Mayor Rob Ford would be today...
 
You know, for a newspaper that makes its living on bashing the Rob Ford campaign, the Toronto Star sure seem to be in favor of most of his policy ideas (even though they failed to credit him for his proposals outright):
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10 good ideas for mayoral candidates
Richard Gilbert
Published On Thu Jun 17 2010

Everyone I’ve talked with about Toronto’s upcoming municipal election has expressed dissatisfaction with the current crop of mayoral candidates or their platforms, or both.

It may be too late to recruit better candidates, but it’s not too late to discuss better policies. My many discussions suggest that a candidate who embraces most of the following 10 positions could well garner decisive support in the election for mayor of Toronto:

Contract out TTC operations. Experience elsewhere, notably in Sweden, has shown that moving to tightly regulated private-sector operation improves service, raises productivity, increases customer satisfaction, enhances employee morale and allows subsidies to achieve more.

Rethink Transit City within available funding arrangements. The present plan is deeply flawed because it advances one solution (light rail) to a wide range of transit opportunities and because it has no complementary land use plan. Install subways where sufficient development can be stimulated to justify them. For many other routes, use electric trolley buses, which can provide most of the advantages of light rail at one-tenth of the capital cost, thereby allowing investments in transit to reach many more residents.

Maximize use of existing transit assets. Most of Toronto’s subway stations are in areas of relatively low density, resulting in underuse of expensive infrastructure. The Spadina line needs the most attention in this respect, both the present and the proposed stations.

Rethink our waste collection system. Use of bins has created too many problems. They have made our neighbourhoods ugly and our sidewalks impassable on collection days.

Privatize waste collection. Through improved management, privatization could reduce costs and the incidence of long strikes, and greatly enhance customer service. The city administration could then focus on planning, regulation and facilitation of waste services, and on the provision of accurate information about waste, including what happens to material put out for recycling. Our local government would be steering rather than rowing.

• Rethink the current focus on sending waste to landfill when it cannot be reduced or recycled. Energy-from-waste (incineration) is more environmentally sound and responsible, whether from an emissions, energy-security or land-use perspective. Several surveys have shown that Toronto residents overwhelmingly support incineration over landfill.

• Put energy considerations front and centre in all municipal decision-making. The oil disaster in the Gulf of Mexico is the strongest sign yet that we’re reaching the end of ever-expanding supplies of inexpensive energy. The challenge of maintaining comfort, convenience and efficient mobility in an era of tightening energy constraints is enormous. Municipalities must play a major role, particularly with respect to land development. To reduce energy consumption in buildings and for travel, Toronto should be accommodating most of the region’s population growth rather than a small fraction of it.

• Change the plans for Union Station. The present plans will result in a drab rail hub that will be inadequate for the resurgence of train travel to be expected in an energy-constrained world. The proposed underground retail concourse will be an unwarranted burden on property taxes.

• Implement a version of the 1970s’ Harbour City plan. This plan was devised by famed Toronto architect Eberhard Zeidler and endorsed by urban guru Jane Jacobs. It could involve redeveloping the Island Airport lands as a car-free community, linked to development on several newly created islands, to the east and west, all as part of a goal of substantially increasing Toronto’s population.

Change how Toronto City Council is composed. We need fewer ward councillors and some councillors elected at large. This would address what seems to have become a surfeit of parochialism at city hall.
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If a former City of Toronto councillor, an insider, is informng the public that these are the policy areas of greatest concern to be addressed in this election; then everything else is just windowdressing as far as I'm concerned. Even an inarticulate oaf can have people surrounding him to direct the agenda towards positive ends. That's all that matters. The hysterical phobia some people are displaying at the prospect of Ford becoming Mayor only affirms my belief that he's exactly what the City needs now.

Between he, Rossi and Thomson the most intelligible concepts have emerged; and all three are centre-right candidates. That alone should be a wake up call for Torontonians, visionary thinking is not exclusively a left wing domain. The average Joe doesn't have internet, can't afford it, far too many bills, thus their political voice goes unheard. When a limited number of wealthy elites seek to imanipulate and control the agenda over millions of citizens, that's what is called an oligarchy. And they say that Toronto isn't gradually morphing into socialist Russia, ha!
 
Didn't stop Miller and Tory in 2003, though. Both of them struck a certain "bridge" dynamic, from their respective ends of the spectrum--in a way that marked a certain 416-wide political maturity following the more genuinely polarized Lastman vs Hall race of 1997.

Elections are cyclic. Look at America for proof. By 2012, Americans will probably want Obama's head on a platter. I can say that if people have lived through the David Miller experience and would seriously consider NOT voting for his complete opposite, then they deserve whatever they get. Liberal/Conservative back forth, that would be great. Better to have competing ideologies vying for our votes than the political vacuum we've been living under for some time now, only to the benefit of real estate developers and newcomers, but nothing for us long-timers who have paid our dues to have a right to live in this city.
 
Elections are cyclic. Look at America for proof. By 2012, Americans will probably want Obama's head on a platter. I can say that if people have lived through the David Miller experience and would seriously consider NOT voting for his complete opposite, then they deserve whatever they get. Liberal/Conservative back forth, that would be great. Better to have competing ideologies vying for our votes than the political vacuum we've been living under for some time now, only to the benefit of real estate developers and newcomers, but nothing for us long-timers who have paid our dues to have a right to live in this city.

Except that "complete opposite" isn't merely a simplistic matter of left versus right--and what's at issue in this thread is how Rob Ford in practice goes beyond (beneath?) Miller's "complete opposite". As I indicated, a truer opposite number to Ford would be someone Tooker Gomberg-like; and a truer opposite number to Miller would be someone Michael Thompson-like. That is, unless you want to take the Andy Donato depiction of Miller in a Mao jacket too much to heart.

Even Lastman vs Hall was a more "balanced" race; we forget that for all his vulgarity, Mayor Mel was far more the malleable moderate than Ford (to the point, perhaps, of being part of the "political vacuum" of which you speak).

Oh, and if we're looking to analogies to the Obama backlash, I can't help sensing it in your pitting "newcomers" against "us long-timers who have paid our dues to have a right to live in this city"...
 
You know, for a newspaper that makes its living on bashing the Rob Ford campaign, the Toronto Star sure seem to be in favor of most of his policy ideas (even though they failed to credit him for his proposals outright):
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10 good ideas for mayoral candidates
Richard Gilbert
Published On Thu Jun 17 2010

Memo to Fresh Start: an op-ed isn't an outright editorial endorsement.

Though Richard Gilbert is an interesting case: his affiliations have actually been with the NDP, yet he was one of the architects of Megacity (and I suppose Mike Harris & co. could have invoked him as proof that Megacity wasn't just a right-wing conspiracy thing). If anything, his pitfall (as Megacity-in-practice proves) is that he's too wonkishly technocratic for his own good. And as such, he's probably paradoxically too pointy-headed for a Rob Ford, coming from the other direction--a Mayor Rossi would suit Gilbert better.

If a former City of Toronto councillor, an insider, is informng the public that these are the policy areas of greatest concern to be addressed in this election; then everything else is just windowdressing as far as I'm concerned. Even an inarticulate oaf can have people surrounding him to direct the agenda towards positive ends. That's all that matters. The hysterical phobia some people are displaying at the prospect of Ford becoming Mayor only affirms my belief that he's exactly what the City needs now.

Between he, Rossi and Thomson the most intelligible concepts have emerged; and all three are centre-right candidates. That alone should be a wake up call for Torontonians, visionary thinking is not exclusively a left wing domain. The average Joe doesn't have internet, can't afford it, far too many bills, thus their political voice goes unheard. When a limited number of wealthy elites seek to imanipulate and control the agenda over millions of citizens, that's what is called an oligarchy. And they say that Toronto isn't gradually morphing into socialist Russia, ha!

Uh, Ford = "centre-right"? Actually, if I can picture tinpot oligarchy coming from anyone, it's from this rather socialist-Russia-looking team.

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Oh, and when you're talking about "The average Joe doesn't have internet, can't afford it, far too many bills, thus their political voice goes unheard.": actually, that's not "average". That's below average.
 
I agree with Adma - people forget how centre-left this city is (it is essentially all Liberal/NDP at the provincial/federal level). Polls show 40% are undecided - probably a huge section of the centre is wondering who the hell to plump for. Rob Ford is not centre, no matter how much people on this forum think he is. And Mel, as much as some people dislike him, was a centrist guy - in fact, his campaigning went little beyond the I'm-such-a-nice-guy-what-could-go-wrong? variety. Contrast that to Ford, who acts like a Rush Limbaugh of the North: negative and divisive. You don't win elections in Toronto by being more conservative and divisive than George Bush.

Rob Ford is going to slowly implode over the course of the summer. In the end, a huge centrist push is going to coalesce around someone like Smitherman or Pantalone or Rossi, or if he changes his mind, John Tory. David Miller got 57% of the vote last election vs Jane Pitfield's 30%. There's not a huge conservative base to pull from in this city.
 
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I'm actually not all that concerned about Rob Ford. He is a buffoon and his support base is quite limited. I'm more concerned about the big-L Liberals who are running. Rocco Rossi is arguably to the right of Ford - Ford hasn't come out in favor of privatizing Toronto Hydro. Smitherman is also far more rightwing than he lets on and he is a super-partisan Liberal. If people think Miller "froze out opposition" and appointed cronies, etc. - they ain't seen nothing yet. And people will think he's somehow progressive because is gay and from downtown - and he'll be able to get away with more privatizing and contracting out than Ford could, who would be totally isolated in the miraculous circumstance that he became mayor. Smitherman would give us modern-day Tammany Hall politics.

Personally I wish Joe Mihevc would enter the race as Joe Pantalone just isn't very inspiring - of all the councillors I think he'd be able to best present the Miller-ite "public good" vision for the city. And almost everybody likes Mihevc personally.
 
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If a former City of Toronto councillor, an insider, is informng the public that these are the policy areas of greatest concern to be addressed in this election; then everything else is just windowdressing as far as I'm concerned.

Another fine quote for my collection. Thanks.
 
Another fine quote for my collection. Thanks.

You're welcome. I aim to please, just like another guy that I know.
 

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