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themarc said:
Providing a minor with a hooker? That could be a very (I rescind the interesting comment) plausible scenario...

It's still consensual sex (hopefully a willing sex trade worker of proper age) and his player(s) being young men would be gloating about this "happening" (this might be something that Ford enabled and was recorded in video at a football party).

The sex trade worker would be in trouble for statutory rape - Rob would be charged with corrupting a minor... Hmmm.
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Maybe this has more to do with the Catholic School Board saying that THEY fired Ford as the Bosco football coach... they got wind of the "party"... Game Film on Friday.
 
Team Me said:
Yes, basically any cable news coverage south of the border seems to really skim the surface of the story. It's only about the crack, while the true story developing (and what is getting people more upset) is that of criminality. Piers Morgan in particular seemed particularly dim-witted and uninformed, saying he doesn't get why everyone is so concerned about this, and he's heard from so many young people on Twitter that they don't think its a big deal. ugh.
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To be fair, Piers Morgan is a troll, a phone hacker and a moron. As for the others, pretty hard catching up on a season of The Wire eleven episodes in ;)
 
themarc said:
Maybe this has more to do with the Catholic School Board saying that THEY fired Ford as the Bosco football coach... they got wind of the "party"... Game Film on Friday.
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Woah. This makes a lot of sense, particularly the Catholic School board's timeline of emails and meetings with parents, plus their refusal to release notes (which is illegal as Ford was a volunteer).
 
I'd like to think that, in the end, this will be the scandal that brings down the modern Conservative movement. There are too many photo-op moments out there for Hudak, Harper et al. to avoid blowback, and the feds already have the Senate scandal weighing down on them.

I have no problem with having conservative parties in this country, but this vicious American brand of right-wing attack politics has to go.
 
I'll float an even worse theory. One of the videos is a snuff video or a video of rob or lisi beating a dude with a pipe or some such. Possibly urinating on them.
 
Team Me said:
Yes, basically any cable news coverage south of the border seems to really skim the surface of the story. It's only about the crack
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Can you blame them? This story runs so deep and the crack headline is what grabs your attention. We're going to need Ken Burns to make a 10 part PBS documentary when the Ford saga is over.
 
Dubster said:
Woah. This makes a lot of sense, particularly the Catholic School board's timeline of emails and meetings with parents, plus their refusal to release notes (which is illegal as Ford was a volunteer).
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And maybe he was in the room at the time? Clearly enabled it? God help us if he actually took part... This would be a scenario that not only Ford or Blair (sorry DO NOT) want out but you can imagine the School Board and the Church wouldn't want out either. Everyone with knowledge of this and covered it up would be on the firing line. The Church would be Internationally embarrassed.

THIS IS ONLY A SPECULATION OF MY OWN!
 
kicked it in the sun said:
i think that most of what's wrong with toronto is rooted in a rah-rah provincialism that achieves its fullest form in the suburbs around toronto, and i despise it an find it embarrassing. i haven't any desire to visit the suburbs, they're ugly and i don't like to drive. ...it would have been a project enough to get toronto proper to evolve into a modern cosmopolitan city without the suburbs, and this is pretty much the urban/suburban divide as i see it. toronto is more administrative district than city; if the megacity is to stay, borough mayors and decentralization ought at least to be brought in.
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Since I actually live in the suburbs, I'll beg to differ and suggest my perception of how they relate to the city is more substantial. The mere fact you say "they're ugly" - and you're talking about like 70% of the city - shows how off-base you are. If we were magically transported to the 1950s I'm sure you'd be railing against driving a subway into the wilds of York Mills or wondering why distant North Toronto should be part of the city. But times change.

Be that as it may, people in North York have more in common with "Torontonians" than people in Staten Island do with Manhattan, and yet no one suggests New York City be de-amalgamated. Having heterogeneity is pretty much the entire point of a city.

What Mike Harris did was atrocious and damaging but that's not to say a more intelligent regional governance structure wasn't needed - it was and is. Harris would have been wise to look at the Golden Report, a generation ago, and we're now seeing the problems that come up when you don't plan things like transit with the larger region in mind.

But let's not forget that "the megacity" half-existed for nearly 50 years before Harris swept in with his axe, giving people from all parts of the city all sorts of time to get used to one another. Assuming that it's some unbreachable divide strikes me as preposterous and totally outside the experience of everyone I grew up with in the suburbs who love the city and yet have to contend with people like you telling them they're not part of it.

Anyway, this is a Ford-bashing thread so I'll just end up by saying that he is emblematic of the resentment that is definitely out there (downtowners telling most of the city's residents that where they live is ugly and terrible might just be a factor!) but to blame suburbanites for him, or to imply he is some evil manifestation of Everything Wrong With the Suburbs, made manifest is just crap.
 
Peepers said:
On Piers Morgan Frank Rich commented that the scandal "makes him want to go to Toronto...it must be a boon for tourism" Rich also said what is happening in Toronto makes Detroit politics look benign. Morgan called it the great political scandal of the year.
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Dubster said:
And I bet half these late to the party yanks don't know who Anthony Smith is. I have to say though, this could end up being on of THE political scandals of modern times.
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Team Me said:
Yes, basically any cable news coverage south of the border seems to really skim the surface of the story. It's only about the crack, while the true story developing (and what is getting people more upset) is that of criminality. Piers Morgan in particular seemed particularly dim-witted and uninformed, saying he doesn't get why everyone is so concerned about this, and he's heard from so many young people on Twitter that they don't think its a big deal. ugh.
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Yet Piers had a discussion with both CTV's Natalie Johnson and Toronto Star's Robyn Doolittle on why is there is such a reaction to Rob Ford's crack admission
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...ndal-robyn-doolittle-natalie-johnson.cnn.html
 
zang said:
Unfortunately too, when a large enough group are participating in dissonance reduction, there are those who will come to capitalize on it. With cancer patients there are those selling shark cartilage; with those in grief there are psychics who will let them "talk" to their dear departed loved ones. And with Rob Ford there are Sue-Ann Levys, Joe Warmingtons and Christie Blatchfords. They all capitalize on feeding Ford Nation. I don't even believe that they themselves believe what they wrote, but they justify it through their own dissonance reduction ("If I don't, someone else will", or "It's just a job").
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Also consider the kind of quackvertisers that've increasingly come to characterize "conservative media" like talk radio and Fox News--everything from questionable medical remedies to Goldline.

(Evoking Godwin's Law here, but…)
Soon after World War II, and all the knowledge of Hitler's atrocities had come to light, Hitler and the Nazis still held as much as an estimated 40% approval amongst Germans. Not because 40% of Germans are heartless sociopaths, but because Hitler had appealed strongly to the disenfranchisement that post-WWI Germans felt. In their minds he was Germany's saviour; the man who would make Germany an economic power once more. He made promises of such, and for a while made it look like he was doing that. When he started invading other countries, Germans reduced their dissonance by making excuses like Polish and French lands have been contested by Germany for ages. It just went downhill from there and it became costlier and costlier (cognitively) for those feeling dissonance to break away.
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And to take the Godwin one step to the side, consider how Mussolini continued to be iconic and his party a political force in post-WWII Italy--again, the whole "saviour" factor, or the "made the trains run on time" myth. (And speaking of transport, Hitler gave Germany its Autobahn network, and plenty of Germans were thankful for that.)
 
"Under the law, police who witness suspicious "hand-to-hand" transactions are within their rights to stop a car, arrest the person involved, and do a search — even without a warrant. They can also apply for an instant search warrant."

The Police probably already knew what was in the bag - they only needed to follow it - that or they had a tracker in it (possible).
 
themarc said:
"Under the law, police who witness suspicious "hand-to-hand" transactions are within their rights to stop a car, arrest the person involved, and do a search — even without a warrant. They can also apply for an instant search warrant."

The Police probably already knew what was in the bag - they only needed to follow it - that or they had a tracker in it (possible).
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Hasn't Clayton Ruby seen The Wire?
Obviously if they wanted to nail him on some piss-ant possession charge, they could almost certainly have done so. But even the people on this board can see how it connects to innumerable other issues, not the least of which are extortion and possibly murder so I'm not sure why Canada's Most Awesome Defence Attorney doesn't see it. To me it seems patently obvious why you don't nail the mayor with a few ounces of pot just to grab headlines when there are substantially larger issues at play.
 
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