salsa
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What does it mean to "hold every item"? How does that work?
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What does it mean to "hold every item"? How does that work?
JWBF
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I just realized that here in Fraudlandia we have a mayor that if in lederhosen would be the spitting image and personality of Augustus Gloop.
anonymoose
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IMO, to understand this mindset, I only have to look at Nick Kouvalis' twitter profile:
And combine that with this quote from the article:
Ford's hardcore supporters only care about the fact that their guy is Mayor. Unlike David Miller, this is a guy that Joe Sixpack can identify with, for better or worse. As a political commentator pointed out (don't have the link handy), people identify with Ford's flaws, not his strengths. (For some reason, nobody ever wants their doctor, lawyer or accountant to be a severely flawed guy they can have a beer with.)
As for the lying, I'll quote a TTC bus driver (a Scarborough resident and a really nice person) who supports Ford's politics (yet despises him and his brother personally): "All politicians lie. Leave him alone and let him do his job." She doesn't believe me (or doesn't care) when I say that the Sheppard subway line is being run at a loss. "People need subways," she explained. "Ever see what happens to the Scarborough RT in the winter?" How can I possibly argue with that, when someone's mind is already made up and the facts have no effect?
As recently as 2 weeks ago, a colleague of mine claimed: "Doesn't matter what he does in his personal life, he's saving me money."
These are not stupid people; they are simply willing to believe anything that "their" guy tells them, because it's exactly what they want to hear. I have very intelligent family members (e.g. medical doctors) in the USA who forward me obviously fake chain e-mails with strongly anti-liberal political content. Anyone could check Snopes and debunk these e-mails in 5 seconds, but it never occurs to them that the e-mails are fake, because the content fits with their beliefs (e.g. Obama/Muslims/liberals are destroying the country.) I've been receiving these e-mails for years, despite constantly sending replies debunking the ridiculous content. (To be clear, the content isn't ridiculous because it's anti-liberal, but because it contains outright falsehoods, which in some cases were debunked years ago.)
So I do think there's at least two classes of Rob Ford supporters:
1) The people who love him because "he's one of us".
2) The people who don't care for him personally, but believe everything single word that comes out of his mouth concerning public policy, because it's exactly what they want to hear.
The 2nd group might abandon him if they can be convinced he isn't really saving them money (big "if", IMO), but the first group will always love him.
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freshcutgrass
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While the majority of the Suntards are eating crow or jumping ship on their hero Ford, Warmington seems to want to stay in denial. Which is why a few drunken college-age mentality cases whooping it up around Rob seems to translate into some sort of massive political comeback. That's how desperate Warmington is.
Look....the conservative thinking mind is capable of limitless denial in their pursuit of dogmatic belief. As long as Rob Ford still represents this dogmatic belief, there's no changing their minds until they do it themselves. The only good thing is....these kind of people are in the minority....thankfully.
dt_toronto_geek
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I'm officially, clinically depressed.
Forty Fs
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Only when he's reading a prepared statement, really.
I've always assumed he had trouble reading. He reads like a child, pausing every couple of words, or at the end of each line rather than the end of each sentence.
His level of delusion was on display in that Fox interview, wasn't it? He's showing us where narcissism shades into psychosis. Especially re: Don Bosco -- he really doesn't think anyone else can do anything good for those boys.
I guess if I believed I was literally the only person who ever did anything good, I wouldn't resign either.
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freshcutgrass
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Yea...his public speaking is almost unheard of bad for a politician. Doesn't matter if it's off-the-cuff or a prepared speech....it's painful to listen to. But they are very different.
The prepared speeches are slow and show an almost complete lack of reading comprehension. He obviously doesn't even attempt to memorize speeches. I don't think it's nervousness or a phobia...I think he is just basically dumb. One other major factor I suspect has a lot to do with it, is that I don't think he has a genuine interest in what he talks about, and his attempts at sincerity are so blatantly fake.
Which leads me to believe as someone has already pointed out, that he suffers from some form of Cluster B disorders. He's an empty shell of a person, that projects this facade. He seems to have no shame, because he has spent his entire life screwing up on an hourly basis. This is his normal. Same reason he can pathologically lie and then get caught constantly and it doesn't register with him at all.
And when he is speaking off-the-cuff, he is usually being defensive...speaking in a high-pitched voice (he also tends to close his eyes a lot, which is another telling habit). He keeps squeaking to people that he said he was sorry, so if we haven't moved on, then somehow we are the ones with the problem now...not him.
Except besides no one believing him, he isn't really giving us a meaningful apology.
As David Hurley pointed out:
If you are unprepared to identify what you are apologizing for...it isn't a real apology
If you don't appear to think what you did was wrong....then it isn't a real apology
And if it ends with "let's move on", then it isn't a real apology.
And this represents every scenario where Rob Ford has issued an "apology".
Peepers
Banned
The Globe & Mail has up on its site an extended video of Mayor Ford departing the Rogers Centre which captures just how crazy a scene it was!
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ame/article15478579/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it
In the history of Canada has a politician ever been mobbed by fans to this degree? I don't think we saw this at the height of Trudeau-mania.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ame/article15478579/?cmpid=rss1&click=dlvr.it
In the history of Canada has a politician ever been mobbed by fans to this degree? I don't think we saw this at the height of Trudeau-mania.
khris
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People love trainwrecks. Remember Lindsay Lohan and Britney Spears? It's the same sort of mentality. People love to post images of themselves with trainwrecks, because they think it makes them look cool. I doubt most of those people cheering him and egging him on even vote!
picard102
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The difference is Spears and Lohan had people idolizing them before well before, and after, their public meltdowns. Where as in Political circles this sort of reaction is much less common.
urbandreamer
recession proof
Does Rob Ford have aspergers?
Forty Fs
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I doubt it's that. IME people with Asperger's can be socially awkward and very focused on the things they find interesting, to the exclusion of other things, but they aren't aggressive or mean or stupid.
My vote's for narcissistic/antisocial personality disorder, alcoholism, plus some kind of intellectual disability. Maybe even foetal alcohol effect?
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jje1000
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I do feel somewhat sorry for Warmington, he's been yelled at by Ford and yet he stays by their side. Personal belief? Or a decision from up high? Regardless, any solution to Ford will require dealing with Ford Nation or whatever they're called.
pattycakes
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Rob Ford wants to be Prime Minister. I want some of what ever he is drinking or smoking.
jusbokeh
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Hes in good company. Many previous pm's were drunks, bullies and womenizers
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