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It's absolutely a 'nice to have', especially based on some of the ideas that have floated around (Pape to Dundas West?). It's an extermely bikeable route (I used to ride from Ossington to Jarvis daily. Try that from the more dense parts of eglinton west or all the way from Scarborough) What's causing congestion in the city? Drivers that don't live in the core and don't have the luxury of alternative transportation methods. If you give them an RAPID alternative, you can take a good portion of those drivers off the road.

It's pretty selfish to think that a DRL is needed before Eglinton Crosstown and Shepperd.
 
js97 said:
It's pretty selfish to think that a DRL is needed before Eglinton Crosstown and Shepperd.
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Yonge is already straining at capacity -- adding in the Eglinton Crosstown and Sheppard LRT will only make the crowding worse. A DRL makes the Eglinton and Sheppard projects more viable. It is no more "selfish" to promote an LRT first than it is to say one should build bigger sewers in an overcrowded area before adding yet more residences.
 
js97:

What you didn't address is that fact that there will be demand on the Yonge line that cannot be met. That isn't a "nice to have" by any definition - it is a "need".

AoD
 
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It's an extermely bikeable route (I used to ride from Ossington to Jarvis daily. Try that from the more dense parts of eglinton west or all the way from Scarborough).
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Uhhh... do you understand the philosophy/strategy of the 'Downtown Relief Line'? It's not to subway from Ossington to Jarvis. It's to get folks downtown from Scarborough and Etobicoke without them having to ride down Yonge. It's not to take a circuitous route through the core from Pape to Dundas West.

But you knew that, right?
 
Riverdale Rink Rat said:
Uhhh... do you understand the philosophy/strategy of the 'Downtown Relief Line'? It's not to subway from Ossington to Jarvis. It's to get folks downtown from Scarborough and Etobicoke without them having to ride down Yonge. It's not to take a circuitous route through the core from Pape to Dundas West.

But you knew that, right?
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What part of Scarborough and Etobicoke are you talking about?

Every DRL I've seen or has been 'studied' has been from Pape or Donlands/Greenwood to Dundas West. Some have it from Dundas West to Main st. (Go lines). What 'DRL' line are we talking about?

Are we talking about all the way from Agincourt, down to Union, and up to Brampton (go lines)? Donmills all the way down and around to Eglinton/Wilson. If so I would be absolutely for those lines, but I'm pretty sure when a poster on this site says 'DRL' they mean the South of Bloor Queen/King Street Car replacement.
 
If the DRL was called something like the "Scarborough Express Line" in the east ( running from Scarborough, joining the Danforth line at Pape, and continuing on to Union station ) and the "Etobicoke Express Line" in the west ( running from Etobicoke, and on to Dundas West subway station, and continuing on to Union station ) it might be a lot easier to sell the idea.
 
js97:

That's phase I of the line - others foresee it extended to at least Eglinton. There is absolutely nothing wrong with going even further north from that point on.

AoD
 
js97 said:
What part of Scarborough and Etobicoke are you talking about? Every DRL I've seen or has been 'studied' has been from Pape or Donlands/Greenwood to Dundas West. Some have it from Dundas West to Main st. (Go lines). What 'DRL' line are we talking about?
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The same one you are. Even if that's just Phase 1, most of the people trasfering onto the DRL at DundasWest/Pape are coming from Etobicoke/Scarborough and getting a quicker, saner ride into the core.
 
js97 said:
It's absolutely a 'nice to have'
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The DRL is widely accepted to be an essential top priority for transit. Arguments in favour of the DRL are supported by ridership projections, density, and relief potential for the overburned Yonge line (especially Bloor/Yonge). Below I have googled a bunch of information that should help bring you up to date:

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/0...to-needs-a-relief-line-ttc-chief-andy-byford/
http://fordfortoronto.mattelliott.ca/2012/02/28/tunnel-vision/
http://www.drlnow.ca/
http://transit.toronto.on.ca/archives/weblog/2011/11/26-metrolinx_.shtml

The idea that the DRL is a selfish downtown plot is propaganda spun by the Sun. Do not be deceived: http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/13/end-of-the-line-for-subways (note: this op-ed has been edited from its original form. It was originally titled, "The unmitigated gall of the Downtown Relief Line promoters" lmao. A lot of the commenters on this article do a good job of taking the writer to task for bad information.)
 
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I'm pretty sure when a poster on this site says 'DRL' they mean the South of Bloor Queen/King Street Car replacement.
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Nope, they really don't. Various alignments are possible for the DRL -- Queen, Richmond/Adelaide, King, Wellington, Front, the rail corridor, even Lake Shore. It's not meant to be a streetcar replacement for local trips downtown (although it may partly serve that function as a side-effect, depending on the alignment) -- it's meant to provide capacity for more trips into downtown from outside, as we're quickly approaching the point at which no further riders will physically fit through Bloor-Yonge. No other part of the TTC network is approaching the point of physical impossibility like this. That's why the DRL is a must-have while other projects are nice-to-have. (If it was just intended to speed up streetcar trips, then yes, it would be a nice-to-have.)
 
js97 is a frequent reader/contributor of UT, and look at the level of discussion needed to attempt to make him understand. Selling the DRL to suburban Toronto is going to be a massively uphill battle...
 
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js97 is a frequent reader/contributor of UT, and look at the level of discussion needed to attempt to make him understand. Selling the DRL to suburban Toronto is going to be a massively uphill battle...
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Yeah, but it's not hard to see how confusing it must be from the perspective of the poorly informed. That's why we're seeing recommendations like this:

Whatever you do, don't say Downtown Relief Line
 
Here is a good one:D

People who mock Mayor Rob Ford, or anyone else, because of their weight fall into one of two categories.

Either they’re idiots who thought it was funny to mock the fat kid in school and grew up to be just as stupid now as they were then.

Or they’re hypocrites who would be horrified by the ridiculing of someone over their gender, sexual orientation, race or disability, but think it’s fair game to attack a politician they don’t like over his weight.

What it illustrates is that mocking fat people is the last prejudice still considered politically correct by the enforcers of political correctness.

Really? Would they approve of mocking welfare recipients by videotaping them lining up outside a Beer Store on cheque day?
Of course not. They’d be screaming it was morally indefensible
More...............Hypocrites mock Ford over weight http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/19/hypocrites-mock-ford-over-weight
 
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I get that it's not cool to make fun of fat people. I agree.

Still, it struck me more than once that railing on against political correctness is itself a form of political correctness. One always wants others to board one's bandwagon. The casual tyranny of it all never ceases to amaze me.
 
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