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Pilates? Isn't that Ponchus Pilates? Was he a pirate?



I know your not ragging me Prometheus - unless you're wearing the rag on your head and an eye patch over your eye while brandishing a sabre.
 
Pilates? Isn't that Ponchus Pilates? Was he a pirate?
Well, there's always Pontius Pilate, the Roman governor of Judea, best known (according to Christians, anyway) as the man who presided over the trial of Jesus and ordered his crucifixion.

IIRC, Pilate was pronounced PIE-LAT, which is close to PIE-RAT. So, we have at least one example of where pilates would have been pronounced PIE-LATS, along the lines of pilate's toja.
 
But why mend fences between African cultures and the black North American / Caribbean slavery descendants? Is the rift that is causing these youth not to succeed really between Africans and those from the Americas? It seems more likely that the rift exists between the mainstream and the blacks from the Americas... so shouldn't the effort be in trying to get that group to more fully integrate?

What if the good work ethic of some individuals rubs off on the underachievers? Isn't that what we're hoping to accomplish here? I doubt full integration is possible or should be possible. Not everyone has to be a carbon-copy of eachother. A school devoted to celebrating diversity, not just in February, but all-year round fosters self-pride and individuality not placating to societal pressures of assimilation.

That is the history of Canada. There haven't been any Bangladeshi prime-ministers or Somalian ships sailing up the Saint Lawrence River to discover new lands. If there had been prominent Bangladeshi-Canadian and Somalian-Canadian contributions in Canadian history it would surely be in the text books. If I take a Japanese history class I don't expect white people to get much coverage.

Gee for a country that gloats how multicultural it is, Canadian history seems quite unilateral in its tapestry. Instead of Canadian perhaps World History should be given equal emphasis and perspective on our high schools such that no ethnicity feels left out. The only history courses taught at the high school level are Canadian and European history despite there being more non-whites in GTA classrooms than the latter. Why should these students be subjected to seeking out after-school programs to learn about their own culture?

How can an all-black school better allow a student to find his individuality than a school with goths, punks, elitists, whites, blacks, asians, rich, middle class, poor, etc? Do you really think individuality can rise from telling a whole bunch of black students that they are the same?

As if the black nerd or Goth is any more accepted by white nerds/Goths than the broader school population accepts them. Cliques are a very alienating facet of school life, and being of a minority race pursuing an alternative lifestyle is practically social suicide. Where do these severely marginalized teens have the drive to even attend school, let alone excel there?

Germans and Japanese often get played in a bad light to in historical films, many people lost relatives in the war to Germans and Japanese, and yet despite that history those groups have no problems integrating into society.

I'd love to hear your opinion to why Eurasians have no problem being integrated into society dominated by Eurocentric values :rolleyes:!

The population affected is probably much larger but actual torture and killing as a percentage of the population seems to have been much less.

Was or was not one million Rwandans murdered? Before you go and say black-on-black violence was the cause, may I remind you that Rwanda was an ethnically united nation before European colonization arbitrarily divided up a continent and people that was not their's creating Bantus and Totsis, the former of which corrupted by white power to genocide the latter. Unless you're actually related to someone affected by the developing world's wars, it's very easy for North Americans to ignore or trivialize the carnage then turn around and seek sympathy/vengence for 9/11. In this me-centric society is it any surprise "them" i.e. blacks and similar groups are seen as the enemy that the system will do anything in order to supress, oppress and depress?

You really have a thing for the show Lost.

This show hypothetically represents what society could become if all ethnicities are united for a common purpose. It heavily draws on religion, philosophy, socialism, existentialism, proabaility and other schools of knowledge weaved directly into the narration, plotlines, character's names (John Locke, David Hume, Rousseau), etc. Yes, how the characters are protrayed is very important to the story and its symbolic meaning to society.

I know there are other obstacles such as people who turn down qualified candidates for lack of "Canadian experience", I know there are police officers who will treat those in minority groups totally different from those who are not, I know people buy into stereotypes too much and overlook the individuality of people, etc.

If the system created the problem, they should be the first ones to correct it. Those canadidates with non-Canadian qualifications aren't arriving from Switzerland or Australia. Why do you think I said society's more segregated now than a decade ago? People can mask their racial biases far easier through bureaucracy then outright yelling at someone "I am not hiring you because you're black!".

So where exactly is it written, that all races have to have exactly the same characteristics, the exact same outcomes, despite having evolved separately over hundreds of thousands of years, under different evolutionary pressures?

What ever are you implying? That one race had it good while the others suffered, some continue to suffer, and it should forever be that way because of evolution? Indeed it's survival of the fittest and humanity is defintely capable of doing abominable things to persevere but when does the welfare of others take into effect? No one is saying everyone should be assimilated, in fact it's diverse perspectives I hope a black-focused cirricula could achieve. I'm not saying blacks shouldn't care about learning other people's cultures, I'm saying their own identity too often gets misrepresented, lost in the shuffle or over-coveraged (breaking news pans images of black murderers, guns, slang, hip-hop, Ebonics, baby-mamas, gangsta, bling, 'ganja', street cred, etc.).
 
But why mend fences between African cultures and the black North American / Caribbean slavery descendants? Is the rift that is causing these youth not to succeed really between Africans and those from the Americas? It seems more likely that the rift exists between the mainstream and the blacks from the Americas... so shouldn't the effort be in trying to get that group to more fully integrate?
What rift? Is there a "white" rift between Australians and Swedes? How about we start treating people as individuals, responsible for their own actions, and life choices? If a black youth succeeds in life, he's not a model of black achievement, he's his own man. Same goes if he fails, he alone failed, and has no right to pull down the rest of his community.
 
Gee for a country that gloats how multicultural it is, Canadian history seems quite unilateral in its tapestry. Instead of Canadian perhaps World History should be given equal emphasis and perspective on our high schools such that no ethnicity feels left out. The only history courses taught at the high school level are Canadian and European history despite there being more non-whites in GTA classrooms than the latter. Why should these students be subjected to seeking out after-school programs to learn about their own culture?
What? This country is over 140 years old, with a colonial history going back almost 500 years, and before that thousands of years of first nations' history. As an immigrant myself, who's only been here 31 years, I (and we) have no right to impose our wishes upon the country, at least not until we've contributed a generation or two to its history. Of course some ethnicities should be left out, since many have no history in Canada yet beyond their contemporary (i.e. not historic) immediate experience. These newcomers will make and add to Canadian history, after they've been here a while. For now, that legitimate subject should be covered under a small portion of general Canadian history, and then added upon in greater detail in a modern sociology class. You've also got to look outside Toronto and the GTA. Canadian history covers this vast country, where foreign-born and minority folks are still a rarity.

How about you learn a little of your adoptive country's history before imposing your own or others' upon the rest of us. Here's a little quiz, who were Canada's first ten Prime Ministers? Who were Britain's and France's First Nation allies in the Seven Years War? Where was Canada's first capitol? When was Nunavut founded, and what language do they speak? Where is Nunavit? Who was Louis Riel? When was the Underground Railroad directed through Nova Scotia, and from where did the escapees come from? Who built Canada's railways? What was the Komagata Maru and HMS Rainbow, and how did this affect Sihk populations in Canada? What's a Ross Rifle? What is the McLaughlin Carriage Company? This is the history I was taught in Canada's schools and universities. I could go on, but trust me, if you want Canada (including people of all colours and origins, not just Europeans, who have been here for generations if not hundreds or thousands of years) to embrace the history of newcomers, then you'd better know the history of Canada, since it goes back a long way, well before Trudeau. I recommend you start with The Museum Called Canada, by Charlotte Gray http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780679312208
 
I know the talk of blacks on TV passed by a long time ago. But I just wanted to bring up that with Captain Sisko on DS9, you never really think of him as "black". It just wasn't an issue for anybody on the show, or me personally watching the show. You either like him or dislike him based on the character, not on his skin colour.

Another example is Worf, who you think of as a Klingon, not as black. And Martok, he's a Klingon, not white.

My point is basically that to improve the situation, we need to take race out of the equation. As kids, we're colour-blind until we LEARN racism, most likely in high school. In elementary, all the races seem to mix together. In high school, they segregate more. Not everyone, a lot of groups are mixed, but it's still more segregated by ethnicity than younger age groups. At least that's my experience.
 
I know the talk of blacks on TV passed by a long time ago. But I just wanted to bring up that with Captain Sisko on DS9, you never really think of him as "black". It just wasn't an issue for anybody on the show, or me personally watching the show. You either like him or dislike him based on the character, not on his skin colour.

Another example is Worf, who you think of as a Klingon, not as black. And Martok, he's a Klingon, not white.
On the contrary, race was a defining issue on Star Trek. In this case it was the Human Race, along with allies from other humanoid species like the Vulcans versus other Races, such as the Klingons. You never saw a Cardassian that looked any different from another Cardassian.
 
As an immigrant myself, who's only been here 31 years, I (and we) have no right to impose our wishes upon the country, at least not until we've contributed a generation or two to its history.

No one is suggesting you do that. However for your children's sake, do you believe its solely your responsibility to teach them in the ways and traditions of your culture? And if you do, how will that affect how they preceive and are preceived by their peer group(s)? For instance, several third gen immigrants I know cannot relate to the practices of their grandparents generation and vice-versa. As such their indigenuity is being lost, ability to communicate with homeland relatives is lost, self-pride/individuality is lost.

Of course some ethnicities should be left out, since many have no history in Canada yet beyond their contemporary (i.e. not historic) immediate experience.

Fifty plus years isn't long enough to have established roots in this country? The period immediately following WWII saw the largest influx of new immigrants from all over the world- Caribbean, Mediterreanean, South Asia, East Asia. Even if the contributions of one group is outweighed by those of another is it still not important to recognize the even small triumphs? The history of all humanity is too multi-perspective to limit ourselves to an affixed Eurocentric point-of-view.

You've also got to look outside Toronto and the GTA. Canadian history covers this vast country, where foreign-born and minority folks are still a rarity.

Well its not as if they're planning to build this school in Sault Ste Marie or Red Deer but rather in a region predominantly non-white where a unilateral representation of facts may turn off students' incentive to learn it.

How about you learn a little of your adoptive country's history before imposing your own or others' upon the rest of us.

Um, I was born here. You don't have to be an immigrant to recognize their plights and hardships. BTW, Nunavut was established in April 1999, very common and recent knowledge.
 
IMO, for ideas, western society is the most inclusive society. i don't buy this euro-centric argument. if you analyze the fabric that makes up the western world, you will see that it is made up of alot of threads that originate from other cultures. when i did algebra in high school, i didn't fell left out and turned off because it was arabic math. i didn't rebel and do my math in roman numerals. well, actually one time i did, as a joke.

knowledge is knowledge.
 
No one is suggesting you do that. However for your children's sake, do you believe its solely your responsibility to teach them in the ways and traditions of your culture? And if you do, how will that affect how they preceive and are preceived by their peer group(s)? For instance, several third gen immigrants I know cannot relate to the practices of their grandparents generation and vice-versa. As such their indigenuity is being lost, ability to communicate with homeland relatives is lost, self-pride/individuality is lost.
I have lots of friends with parents from all over the globe. My friend of Irish parents can't speak Gaelic, my other friend of Chinese parents can't speak or read Chinese, my friend of Korean parents can't speak Korean, my spouse of Ukranian parents can't speak Ukranian, my doctor was born in Poland and can't speak it at all anymore. If you asked any of them, no one would say that they're some how lacking in indigenuity or lost. Many of them speak a second language other than their parents, such as my "Chinese" friend speaking fluent German, which, BTW, she learned in school. My Korean friend couldn't name a single traditional Korean musical instrument, but he's an expert IMO with the piano, playing European classics on a European instrument.

The children of immigrants are far more than the sum of their parents' culture and values. Once they arrive, the kids want what every other kid wants, which is music, friends (from all over), material possessions, an education (hopefully), enjoyment of life and freedom of choice. I've rarely seen a more miserable child than those dragged off on a Saturday morning to some "cultural" school while their neighbours are playing stick hockey on the street. Trust me, those kids will grow to dislike their forced culture quickly enough, those weekend or after school programs ensure it.
 
No one is suggesting you do that. However for your children's sake, do you believe its solely your responsibility to teach them in the ways and traditions of your culture? And if you do, how will that affect how they preceive and are preceived by their peer group(s)? For instance, several third gen immigrants I know cannot relate to the practices of their grandparents generation and vice-versa. As such their indigenuity is being lost, ability to communicate with homeland relatives is lost, self-pride/individuality is lost.

You are so race-conscious / racialist. Can you not understand that people are individuals, and that they can define themselves on their own achievements and personality? Everyone to you is Black, White, Asian, Indian, etc.

The reason why Black people are more likely to fail out of school is precisely because they are encouraged to think racially, that is, group themselves based on the anti-intellectual and delinquent culture of American Blacks, instead of looking at their friends as a whole regardless of race, and striving to be the best. Opening Black-only schools would be a step 60 years backward.

"self-pride/individuality" is lost?

The hypocrisy of multiculturalists never ceases to astound me. To them, it's okay for white people to intermarry, forget about their ancestors' culture and language, speak only English, and assimilate into American culture, yet when a non-White person does it, they are a White-Washed Self-Hating Minority. I think that individuality is actually substantially INCREASED upon shedding one's ethnic allegiance. One then has the freedom to take in whatever cultures one chooses, without being tied down to one based on the accident of birth.
 
One then has the freedom to take in whatever cultures one chooses, without being tied down to one based on the accident of birth.
Not if your parents are filled with that same hatred of freedom of choice, as seen by the latest murder of that young Muslim girl who refused to comply with her parents. Honestly, why bring your kids here if you don't want them to embrace the culture, freedoms and multicultural experience?
 
Not if your parents are filled with that same hatred of freedom of choice, as seen by the latest murder of that young Muslim girl who refused to comply with her parents. Honestly, why bring your kids here if you don't want them to embrace the culture, freedoms and multicultural experience?

can you believe this?

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I've rarely seen a more miserable child than those dragged off on a Saturday morning to some "cultural" school while their neighbours are playing stick hockey on the street. Trust me, those kids will grow to dislike their forced culture quickly enough, those weekend or after school programs ensure it.

I wouldn't want to be subjected to extracurricular attempts to know of my ancestral culture either. Sadly, you've all forgotten the original point of promoting ethno-specific classrooms, to integrate by highlighting positive aspects of being X-minority by providing a source of validation otherwise lacking in the current pluralist public school system. Successful or not, it tells the status-quo that black underachievers matter too, do something for them. Publicity of the problem forces the system to reform, be more inclusive of diverse perspectives.

The children of immigrants are far more than the sum of their parents' culture and values. Once they arrive, the kids want what every other kid wants...freedom of choice

I suppose if they wanted to kill the school bully you'd endorse that too? Without guidance, youth will either degenerate or assimilate, if not both. Where in that materialistic, pop culture idolatry lifestyle does a good education fit in? Freedom of choice goes only so far when even the simplest of adoloscent mistakes can have lifelong consequences. At any rate, friends come and go, in the end one must be comfortable in their own skin, culture is only a guideway to inner peace.

Can you not understand that people are individuals, and that they can define themselves on their own achievements and personality? Everyone to you is Black, White, Asian, Indian, etc.

Not exactly true. I do recognize however that society doesn't always uphold the Charter of Human Rights and without dissenting voices from the sheep mentality, we're doomed to repeat discrimination, segregation, inequity, etc.

The reason why Black people are more likely to fail out of school is precisely because they are encouraged to think racially, that is, group themselves based on the anti-intellectual and delinquent culture of American Blacks, instead of looking at their friends as a whole regardless of race, and striving to be the best.

That I wholeheartedly agree with. However the greatest achievements of humanity came out of trial and error techniques. Not because of our segregatory past must we assume any attempt at singling out a particular ethnic group is racist. Why would politicians risk their careers to suggest it? Can anyone not see one benefit to motivating underacheivers, regardless of what they look like? Again for the umpteenth time: no Afro-prefix = no controversy.

Horrendous story and an example of how religious extremism and Canadian culture are better left unmixed.

This isn't the first time this has happened either. A few months ago a Tamil girl and her non-Tamil boyfriend were nearly ran over by her father's car in Scarborough because he objected to their union. For the ethnic minority, life is a daily struggle between worlds, two cultures, two families, two identities. It's a pity the pull towards one lifestyle, cost an innocent her life.
 
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