H4F33Z
Active Member
They might increase service to compensate
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Steve X
Senior Member
Ummm no. A trip through the Bridle Path won't appeal to anyone especially when riders will be stuck in traffic along Bayview.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
All this could've been avoided had they just had the foresight to build a proper side-of-roadway or elevated station at Leslie-Eglinton complete with a bus loop for the 51, 54 and 56. All this inconvenience for transit users for generations to come just to save like $100 million. Dumb!
Steve X
Senior Member
With the Ontario Line being built to Science Centre, it's more logical to terminate the 54 and future 954 there oppose to routing it to Leslie.
The problem wasn't to save money instead to avoid another shit show at City Hall with the late mayor at that time.
BurlOak
Senior Member
It wasn't the $100M, it's just that nobody wanted to admit that it was planned wrong under David Miller.
If planned properly from the start, it was likely cost neutral.
pdcstream
New Member
I thought they had planned to have the 54 Lawrence bus to go to Laird station before this.
smallspy
Senior Member
Except that the 54 was always to go to Don Mills, not Leslie. And the plan for the Leslie was to interline it with Leaside as they generally run very similar frequencies. There was never going to be a need for bus terminal at Leslie.
Dan
robmausser
Senior Member
Its more complicated than that.
While BUrlOak mentioned that the original plan, the one that went through was a bad inital decision, the reason alternatives werent looked at (well they were but then cancelled) was because the city JUST got the above ground portion returned to form after Rob Ford wanted to bury it.
There was a real sense of "let sleeping dogs lie" and just push the plan ahead as quick as possible.
So 100$ million saved over an elevated/completely grade separated version, but $4 billion saved from potentially opening the debate back up and allowing Rob Ford to bury the line.
Ozman
Active Member
I'm a little late getting to this discussion of Line 5 trains, but isn't the Flexity Freedom order from Bombardier (as reduced in 2018) for 76 cars? That would be 38 two-car trains; so why on earth is TTC talking about running 17 trains on opening day and ramping up to (only) 20 (2-car) trains by 2024? I understand they'll need to have spares but they'll be using less than half the cars they ordered!!!
Has the ridership projection changed massively (downward) from the planning a few years ago or has the Flexity Freedom order been reduced again and I was not aware?
What am I missing here? Something, somewhere doesn't add up.
Allandale25
Senior Member
And an associated blog post: https://blog.metrolinx.com/2019/12/...k-down-every-major-element-in-an-infographic/
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Streety McCarface
Senior Member
They'll likely be running trains at existing demand loads assuming that the freedoms actually have space for 250 passengers.
I have a feeling that some bonehead at Metrolinx or the TTC forgot that rapid transit usually increases ridership almost instantly and that the Eglinton corridor will likely see significantly more traffic than it does now when the crosstown opens.
At about BD speeds, a train would complete a journey from Science Centre to Mt. Dennis in about 20 minutes, so for 4-minute frequencies (between Line 1 and line 4 frequencies), they'd need at least 10 trains, probably 11 maybe 12 for that one section. An additional 5-6 trains on the surface section equates to frequencies of about every 5-7 minutes. 17 Trains make sense for existing loads, but not at all for future demand, and if the past projections are true, and 300K people per day are supposed to use this line, then 76 trains likely won't even be enough.
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Steve X
Senior Member
I suspect they ordered more for a higher spare ratio and TTC fleet plans are only for paper reference only. They can change within months. We know TTC can't plan but plans can also change things quickly. We should all calm down for the 17 trains on opening day. As long as there are more LRVs available, I don't see why they can't increase it if ridership is sufficient.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
From Next Stop, Even Better 2020-2024 & Beyond at this link.
Why is the 14 GLENCAIRN bus not routed south on Caledonia to the CALEDONIA STATION? There does seem to be a "Castlefield/Roselawn" bus.
Why is the 14 GLENCAIRN bus not routed south on Caledonia to the CALEDONIA STATION? There does seem to be a "Castlefield/Roselawn" bus.
Johnny Au
Senior Member
18 Caledonia makes a return.
Apparently, the signs in Yorkdale station mention Caledonia buses, even when the Caledonia buses were merged with the Lansdowne buses.
drum118
Superstar
Nov 28
Lots more up on my site for the 3 stations and Mount Dennis area.
Getting ready to pour the curb for the westbound lane at the portal. Have pour some of the new sidewalk.
The OS support different from any I have seen for other systems. Doesn't look like much more to be done before going live and start testing the cars from Mount Dennis Station to X
Work well underway for the new GO/UPX Mount Dennis Station.
They are rebuilding a wider entrance/road to No Frills as well the new bus terminal
Lots more up on my site for the 3 stations and Mount Dennis area.
Getting ready to pour the curb for the westbound lane at the portal. Have pour some of the new sidewalk.
The OS support different from any I have seen for other systems. Doesn't look like much more to be done before going live and start testing the cars from Mount Dennis Station to X
Work well underway for the new GO/UPX Mount Dennis Station.
They are rebuilding a wider entrance/road to No Frills as well the new bus terminal