StroadWarrior
New Member
As suspected, looks like they're working on some of the final concrete work south of Eglinton.
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youngblood
Active Member
Railrunner
Active Member
seriously why do we not have answers and a confirmed new deadline? 2023 is not even guaranteed
nfitz
Superstar
I wonder who is paying the TTC's cost of having already trained up the operators, etc.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
The underfunded operating budget of the TTC. Luckily, the Flexity Outlook streetcars an the Flexity Freedom light rail vehicles have similar operating skills. Differences are the Freedom vehicles are multi-units.
Steve X
Senior Member
I suspect they have some real major issues like train problems, signal issues or ATO problems that isn't integrating well and they don't want to disclose until they resolve it. If Eglinton Station is aa bottleneck, they could split out a date unless that date is way pass 2023.
cplchanb
Senior Member
maybe they learned their lesson: dont make a promise they cant keep.
StroadWarrior
New Member
This is the east entrance at Avenue Station. It's been like this for a while but I thought I'd snap a shot anyways. More noteworthy is the fact that they're tearing up sections of the perimeter of the road all the way between Avenue and Duplex, I'm thinking they're finally moving on more bike lane installations.
mrgrieves
Active Member
apologies if this has been asked before, but is there a reason that Metrolinx isn't pursuing a phased delivery? this way they can say they've delivered part of the line at least while they sort out major issues (e.g. Eglinton)
T3G
Senior Member
Because opening a major transit line without its most important transfer would be deeply embarrassing and would almost certainly backfire on Metrolinx.
mrgrieves
Active Member
I'm not sure I agree this would be any more embarrassing than the current situation. Would also be interested to better understand how you think it would backfire
TRONto
Active Member
I don't believe there is an open reason. I believe the contractor has said they can do phased but Metrolinx said no.
T3G
Senior Member
It would backfire because it would show Toronto as being so desperate to push out a rapid transit line, and look good, that they did so before finishing it. This isn't some non-place like Oakwood or Laird we're talking about here, it is the main access point for thousands of people from midtown, it is the crown jewel of the project, and putting it into service without the station being ready would be like putting a new train into service without seats.
Plus, how would you serve the people living in the Yonge and Eglinton area? They would either have to take the bus and transfer to the 5 elsewhere, which would be a really bad look from a PR pespective, or you'd have to continue running the overhead bus service in its full, present day configuration, rather than the limited scope it will run in post-line opening, which would be a waste of money.
Let it stand. We've waited more than a decade for this, another year or two isn't the end of the world.
Plus, how would you serve the people living in the Yonge and Eglinton area? They would either have to take the bus and transfer to the 5 elsewhere, which would be a really bad look from a PR pespective, or you'd have to continue running the overhead bus service in its full, present day configuration, rather than the limited scope it will run in post-line opening, which would be a waste of money.
Let it stand. We've waited more than a decade for this, another year or two isn't the end of the world.
pmacpherson68
New Member
I don't think there's any secrets they are holding onto.... I just think they've lost all credibility in terms of giving out dates and any date they give us likely nobody will believe anyway. If I was a project manager on this thing, I would at this point be pushing as hard as possible just to finish the project - Im guessing that they have internal dates they are marching towards, but they don't want to get egg on their face again, and maybe they are concerned that giving out a date will take pressure off.
Ive really noticed since this announcement in September that work has been accelerating like never before.... if they went this pace three years ago we wouldn't be in this pickle.
Aplus23
Active Member
If they would've just kept the roads clear as possible for as long as possible, they would've been in better standing with the public.