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ehlow said:
Well, if you believe that any station without staff, elevators, escalators and fare gates is 2nd class, then yeah the surface stops are 2nd class by that definition.

At the risk of repeating what has probably been said 100 times, if you're looking at speed, frequency, reliability, a high quality ride and high levels of service, then LRT isn't 2nd class.

We don't really know what the stops will look like in detail yet, but it's true the surface stops aren't as elaborate as the underground ones. However, this also means they are much cheaper to build, operate and maintain.
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But why would the surface stops be as elaborate? Its outside so all you need is a stop with an enclosure where people can stand.
 
Palma said:
the stop at Oakwood halfway between the Allen and Dufferin stop so was not needed.
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By that standard every stop on the entire line is "literally halfway between two other stops". maybe we should just build a line with a stop at Mt. Dennis and Kennedy?

The crosstown is also fairly bare bones, the subway stops are a whole lot simpler than what the TTC likes to build for its stations.
 
innsertnamehere said:
By that standard every stop on the entire line is "literally halfway between two other stops". maybe we should just build a line with a stop at Mt. Dennis and Kennedy?

The crosstown is also fairly bare bones, the subway stops are a whole lot simpler than what the TTC likes to build for its stations.
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What I meant is its a close walk to Dufferin or the Allen stop.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Can you get an wringer-washer? Nope, just automatic washers. What about black and white televisions for your home? Do you have a black and white monitor for your computer? And so on and so on...

Over a hundred years ago, one could build your own house. With only a hammer and nails, you could. No building permits, no inspections. What codes, there weren't any. The original codes were put in because the building trades wanted jobs for their own members. So bricks and mortar were required by the city as the first building codes were established.
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Yes, https://www.lehmans.com/p-3046-home-queen-wringer-washers.aspx

And I know lots of folks who build their own houses, especially cottages. You go to Home Building Centre, buy a house plan, and they'll put together a list of every piece you need, from the bathroon tiles to the roofing nails, and then delivery all of it to your job site. Then you and your mates get to work.
 
Palma said:
Ya but those people will be using the Bathurst stop not oakwood. But just like the streetcars stop at too many stops it seems to be the same with the LRT stops especially east of Yonge but also the stop at Oakwood halfway between the Allen and Dufferin stop so was not needed. Of course residents are going to want the stop.
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There's a big difference between streetcar stop spacing and Eglinton LRT stop spacing.

Oakwood is 550m from Allen and 650m and Dufferin. This is subway level stop spacing! For example Bathurst to Spadina stations on the Bloor line are 600m apart.

The streetcar stations are waaaay closer. For example, the stop considered for removal, Victoria street, is only 100m from the next stop at Yonge.

On average many bus and streetcar lines have stop spacing of 200m in many places.
 
ehlow said:
There's a big difference between streetcar stop spacing and Eglinton LRT stop spacing.

Oakwood is 550m from Allen and 650m and Dufferin. This is subway level stop spacing! For example Bathurst to Spadina stations on the Bloor line are 600m apart.

The streetcar stations are waaaay closer. For example, the stop considered for removal, Victoria street, is only 100m from the next stop at Yonge.

On average many bus and streetcar lines have stop spacing of 200m in many places.
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How long will it take to walk 650 metres (dufferin to Oakwood) ? Well google map shows 8 min.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Nobody will be walking 650m along Eglinton. It will be at most a 325m (4 min) walk.
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Guess thats why the obesity rates are what they are. Perhaps there would also be an increase in business for retail owners if people actually walked 8 min and went by more shops
 
Palma said:
How long will it take to walk 650 metres (dufferin to Oakwood) ? Well google map shows 8 min.
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Sigh. It's always a battle between people like you who want very long stop spacing (1km? 2km?), and those who complain when you remove a stop even 100m away from the next one. You should hear the people who go to public meetings about Eglinton bus stops that aren't on the LRT.

It's about finding a reasonable balance. Personally I think that in the suburbs speed matters more and 1-2km is fine, because things are simply farther apart and people travel longer distances. In urban and dense locations like Oakland & Eglinton or along the Danforth, 500-600m is fine. For short routes like Spadina even less is OK. You can get a pretty good speed at 600m average stop spacing. As stated before speed is only one factor, with frequency & reliability being other important ones which affect your trip time (how long you have to wait for the vehicle).

8 min to walk along Eglinton from Oakwood to Dufferin, but what if you aren't directly on Eglinton? You could be living 5 min north of Eglinton & Oakwood. If you remove Oakwood, the walk becomes 13 minutes instead of 5 minutes. Now, would you take transit for a quick trip if every trip results in 13 min of walking to the stop and back, meaning 26 min of walking? What about in very cold weather? Suddenly it becomes less convenient. You might only take transit twice a day to get to work, but never do multiple trips because it's such a long walk. Or maybe you'd have to take a bus and give up on walking.

I'm just saying adding 8 min of walking to every transit trip can result in using transit less than you would if you were closer. If you're doing multiple transit trips a day, sometimes walking 8 min there and back for dinner, then 10 min to your destination and back for groceries can add up.
 
There needs to be a balance between speed and accessibility

Speed comes from fewer stops. Accessibility comes from more.

From what I've seen, it looks like the ECLRT has struck the right balance.
 
Also Oakwood station is right in the middle of some of the best jerk chicken places in the whole city. Of course you can't walk 8 minutes after eating all that delicious chicken.
 
ehlow said:
The streetcar stations are waaaay closer. For example, the stop considered for removal, Victoria street, is only 100m from the next stop at Yonge.
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I always thought that was silly. An ALRV is 23m long. Meaning from Victoria to Yonge you've essentially got four streetcar lengths. If you got on the front door at Yonge and sat at the back of the car, you've already walked 1/4 of the way to Victoria.
 
ehlow said:
There's a big difference between streetcar stop spacing and Eglinton LRT stop spacing.

Oakwood is 550m from Allen and 650m and Dufferin. This is subway level stop spacing! For example Bathurst to Spadina stations on the Bloor line are 600m apart.
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Exactly. They're basically the same spacing as Ossington and Christie on the Bloor-Danforth, which doesn't seem to be problematic.
 
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