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Photography won't show us engineering flaws. I highly doubt it's a structural problem anymore. They can finish Eglinton in half a year.

Since we haven't seen successful high speed footages, it might not be safe to run trains in tunnels at high speed. Hence they can't open the line. Who knows what they need, redo the tracks? buy new trains? build new tunnels? build a new line? ML are fools

Someone with insight suggested to me that part of the delay (and a big reason for the general silence) may be litigation. In other words, somebody will not release the completed asset - or accept it and write payment cheques for completion - until the oustanding legal disputes are settled.

It’s just a conspiracy theory, but it explains the silence. The opening may actually sit in the hands of the lawyers.

- Paul
 
Someone with insight suggested to me that part of the delay (and a big reason for the general silence) may be litigation. In other words, somebody will not release the completed asset - or accept it and write payment cheques for completion - until the oustanding legal disputes are settled.

It’s just a conspiracy theory, but it explains the silence. The opening may actually sit in the hands of the lawyers.

- Paul
i mean thats what that cbc article in december said.

"metrolinx says the contractor doesnt have a credible plan"

but if you read further, they did put together a plan for opening in march, but metrolinx just disagrees with it, citing deficiencies. then they got some rando source in MX saying they dont think it could be running till september
 
Anyone who has done home renovations knows how the conversation goes....

"You need to come back and redo the work you messed up, before we are willing to say the job is done and pay you for the work"
"We did the work to your specs, so we need to be paid additional compensation to do that added work."
"The work was in the original contract, and if you won't do it right we will take you to court and enforce our contract. And we will tell everyone we know what a shoddy contractor you are"
"Say what you like..... our lawyer will be hanging off your every word. Sure, let's go to court.... and we will tell the judge how many times you changed the requirements, or wouldn't give us direction and made us wait, or asked us to do it badly....and how we discovered that the work that was done previously wasn't properly done and we had to fix that......oh, and while we are waiting for a court date, you won't be moving back in......"

- Paul
 
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Honestly i think a large part of this farce is due to the loose lips from Verster. Had he not publicly shamed Crosslinx the way he did for the last 2 years
I think they wouldve worked together to make early 2023 possible. Now that the bridges are burnt there is no incentive or desire from Crosslinx to work hard to
meet anything above the bare minimums.

Its one thing to hold people to account but when both parties are vested in this together they need to keep back door disputes private at least until work is completed.
 
Someone with insight suggested to me that part of the delay (and a big reason for the general silence) may be litigation. In other words, somebody will not release the completed asset - or accept it and write payment cheques for completion - until the oustanding legal disputes are settled.

It’s just a conspiracy theory, but it explains the silence. The opening may actually sit in the hands of the lawyers.

- Paul

Speculation on my part but I think this is correct wrt construction milestones and payments. The way P3s are structured, the government pays the consortium based on milestones being completed, and having a partial opening of the line without Eglinton completed would require a significant rework of the Project Agreement. ML wouldn't want to pay for a the Substantial Completion payment for a line that still requires further construction work.
 
Honestly i think a large part of this farce is due to the loose lips from Verster. Had he not publicly shamed Crosslinx the way he did for the last 2 years
I think they wouldve worked together to make early 2023 possible. Now that the bridges are burnt there is no incentive or desire from Crosslinx to work hard to
meet anything above the bare minimums.

Its one thing to hold people to account but when both parties are vested in this together they need to keep back door disputes private at least until work is completed.

The problem is that

a) P3 contracts are popular because of the naive and simplistic belief that such a “fixed-price, contractor manages everything” format guarantees cost and time performance

b) the P3 format is attractive to governments and organizations like ML because it firewalls them from blame, and the contractual agreement of confidentiality encourages government to maintain a narrative of “on time and on budget” long after that ceases to be truthful

I continue to ask how it is possible for ML’s auditors to sign off on annual reporting by public agencies when in the agenciy’s books there is a glaring but undisclosed variance on a multi billion dollar project.

The schedule and cost deficiencies in this project must have been first apparent to ML some years ago, and have likely worsened over that time. Surely failure to disclose that in Ml’s recent annual reports and MD&A’s must have crossed a line somewhere legally. If the auditors noted the non-disclosure and accepted it, have they failed in their fiduciary duty to the taxpayer? (If they missed it, how competent were they as auditors?) Whatever happened to Sarbanes Oxley ?

The solution to this in my view is a law that requires all large public projects to have an arms length third party auditor who has a duty to the public to verify the performance of the project (or non-performance) and to report on same, without interference from either government or parties to the project. This oversight needs to include cost, schedule adherence, and control of scope.

The causes to the delay may have been beyond anybody’s control, but the lack of transparency likely gave the parties too much room to wrangling and spinning when a more honest, transparent approach might have solved them sooner. The legal jostling and public floggings should come after opening. Transparency is not needed just to ensure accountability, it actually encourages the identification and quick resolution of problems and unforeseens.

- Paul
 
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The problem is that

a) P3 contracts are popular because of the naive and simplistic belief that such a “fixed-price, contractor manages everything” format guarantees cost and time performance

b) the P3 format is attractive to governments and organizations like ML because it firewalls them from blame, and the contractual agreement of confidentiality encourages government to maintain a narrative of “on time and on budget” long after that ceases to be truthful

- Paul

P3 contracts also allow a government to defer costs to a later date and by the time the bill comes due there could be a new government in charge or we could all be dead etc.
 
P3 contracts also allow a government to defer costs to a later date and by the time the bill comes due there could be a new government in charge or we could all be dead etc.

Not as much as you might expect due to much higher rates private companies have when borrowing funds (~12%, not 4%).

Since government gets much better interest rates on bonds, government often directly backs the loans the P3 companies use to build the infrastructure. Those bonds, despite being indirect, appear immediately on government books as a liability as if they borrowed the funds directly.

P3 contracts without a "Finance" component are pay-as-they-build in the exact same way a traditional "Build" contract is.
 
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I almost wonder if there is a communications strategy to have everyone expect the worst (2024-2026) and then open it later this year so people will be pleasantly surprised.
I said that last year and was unfortunately disappointed. But I hope you're right!
 
I was recently at Eglinton station and while looking around at the really poor state of the station, mezzanine, bus platforms and Subway platforms and i couldnt help but wonder what a depressing contrast it will be… does anyone know if there are plans to modernize it when the redevelopment of Canada square is happening?
 
I was recently at Eglinton station and while looking around at the really poor state of the station, mezzanine, bus platforms and Subway platforms and i couldnt help but wonder what a depressing contrast it will be… does anyone know if there are plans to modernize it when the redevelopment of Canada square is happening?
It would be in the interests of the developer to rebuild the concourse to fit the new development than try doing patch work. Having a higher ceiling would be nice to see as well skylights. The Plan

As for the platform, that's a TTC expanse and they should try to get the developers to kick in some money to upgrade it. Maybe time to look at a 2nd platform as well

The bus bays will be history with the 97 staying on Yonge. It will be the end of the old streetcar carhouse and the boiler house.
 
The bus bays will be history with the 97 staying on Yonge. It will be the end of the old streetcar carhouse and the boiler house.
where will routes like 13 Avenue and the Mount Pleasant north and south buses terminate? the 2022 service plan had all of them serving Eglinton. I assume the 34s will just keep moving through like the 97s.
 
where will routes like 13 Avenue and the Mount Pleasant north and south buses terminate? the 2022 service plan had all of them serving Eglinton. I assume the 34s will just keep moving through like the 97s.
Avenue Rd would be a north-south or loop at Avenue Rd and Eglinton. Mount Pleasant would use St Clair/Yonge Station. 34 would disappear or be like 97
 
Avenue Rd would be a north-south or loop at Avenue Rd and Eglinton. Mount Pleasant would use St Clair/Yonge Station. 34 would disappear or be like 97
I mean, that might be what you think should happen but it isn’t what the service plan says. Note the bus terminal symbol at station, which I didn’t notice last night when typing my previous post
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