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So the National Post has decided that Parade funding was revoked because of the Queers Against Israeli Apartheid debacle last year. While it certainly was a debacle, to point to this as the reasoning for last week's announcement displays a real special sense of Zionistic narcissism only the NP could pull off. Well done NP!

City Council might be taking up this as well, the issue has been referred to executive committee. Perchance the city will drop funding. http://app.toronto.ca/tmmismonitor/previewAgendaItem.do?meetingType=Council&agendaItemId=23218
 
So not only does our federal government hate gays, they also support apartheid??

Canadians should be ashamed!
 
No, the trick is understanding why your argument is poor. I will tell you. Your argument is what's called a "fallacy of accident," or a generalization that disregards exceptions. There are many reasons someone might support the Conservatives, most of which have nothing to do with his or her opinions on homosexuality. Just supporting the Conservatives does not make someone anti-gay.

Kind of like saying all communists support death marches and massed deportation.
 
On a personal note, those who love to apply the Nazi label on everyone they disagree with or find to be conservative obviously don't know anyone victimized by them. Please stop using Nazi as a label; it trivializes the suffering they inflicted on millions, and though you may not care, many of us Pols find it irritating... it belies the underlying ignorance of the user. Being a slave is not fun, nor is being taken away from your family never to see them again, nor is passing time in a death camp.

Comparing a Canadian political to the Nazi party is simply is despicable.
 
No kidding. It's a profound insult to the Jews, gays, gypsies {as they were then none}, mentally and emotional challenged, resistence fighters, political opposition, and many otheres who suffered at the hands of the Nazii and their horrid SS guard. It is also an affront to 38% of Canadians who voted him in 2 years ago who you have now deemed are Nazi supporters.
Just because most Conservatives don't approve of gay marriage doesn't mean they are homophobic. My mother and father don't agree with same sex marriage but have been supportive of gay rights and equality for over 40 years and would stick their nose out to prove it. They are anything but homophobic.
Someone needs to go back to grade school and look up the word "phobia". It is an irrational FEAR. Harper fears no one. He doesn't agree with same sex marriage but outside of that he couldn't care less.
These so called leaders {like anyone voted into office to speak on behave of people of the LGBT community} call everything that mildly offends them as homophobic. It both absurd and childish. They reinvented the word "queer" which 99% of gay people would do anything but call themselves queer.
It's like anything else, it's pure politics. Sending money where you are hoping to reap the most political reward is a time honoured tradition that all political parties in Canada have long embraced. Federally the Liberals have it down to an artform and the Conservatives are just learning by example.
 
Comparing a Canadian political to the Nazi party is simply is despicable.
Absolutely! And no one here on this thread has done that as far as I can recall, and tell from the comments.

Did I miss something?

If not, raising the spectre of Nazism when it's not their is even more despicable - and rather bizarre!
 
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Comparing a Canadian political to the Nazi party is simply is despicable.

i agree. also, comparing a canadian party to the inevitable heat death of the universe and equating the denying of funds to medical testing on intellectually challenged baby seals would also be despicable. but of course, nobody made those comparisons or equations but that's not stopping me from making this post!!!

i'm angry at what could have been said, but wasn't!
 
Absolutely! And no one here on this thread has done that as far as I can recall, and tell from the comments.


Okay, let me start by stating that Canada already has a national socialist party, and it's called the NDP

(hey, if you want to be literal about it)
 
Okay, let me start by stating that Canada already has a national socialist party, and it's called the NDP

(hey, if you want to be literal about it)
Oh good grief, Hitler himself claimed that his "socialism" had nothing at all do with Marxian socialism! Stop being silly!

What does this have to do with shills reopening an old thread and starting to hurl abuse at people about Nazism, which wasn't actually ever discussed?
 
Oh good grief, Hitler himself claimed that his "socialism" had nothing at all do with Marxian socialism! Stop being silly!

My silliness was deliberate, you know. (Sorry about the lack of a smiley for emphasis, though.)
 
My silliness was deliberate, you know.
I assumed it was deliberate ... I just don't see the need for it. There are nutters out there who take such stuff seriously ... and Canadians seem to have a particularly poor sense of humour about the topic.
 
Just because most Conservatives don't approve of gay marriage doesn't mean they are homophobic. My mother and father don't agree with same sex marriage but have been supportive of gay rights and equality for over 40 years and would stick their nose out to prove it. They are anything but homophobic.

Newsflash: courts across the country agree that same-sex marriage is a right under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. To take it away would mean invoking the notwithstanding clause. I would consider anyone who would be willing to target a minority group in such a way to be pretty homophobic. Why are we even discussing SSM in this thread? Most Canadians have put the issue behind them (as it looks like the federal government has for the time being, but that's what we all thought about their stance on abortion...).


Harper fears no one.

This actually made me laugh out loud. Harper is full of fear. Just look at the $1,000,000,000 pricetag on G8/G20 security. Look at the utter disdain he hurls at the press. Look at the way he stifles criticism. A confident and fearless leader would have no need to do such things. Harper's obsessive need to control the message leads me to believe he is incredibly fearful.

He doesn't agree with same sex marriage but outside of that he couldn't care less.
These so called leaders {like anyone voted into office to speak on behave of people of the LGBT community} call everything that mildly offends them as homophobic. It both absurd and childish. They reinvented the word "queer" which 99% of gay people would do anything but call themselves queer.
It's like anything else, it's pure politics. Sending money where you are hoping to reap the most political reward is a time honoured tradition that all political parties in Canada have long embraced. Federally the Liberals have it down to an artform and the Conservatives are just learning by example.

Where to start here? First of all, taking money away from pride is not, in and of itself, a mark of homophobia. The fact though that there was a huge backlash against federal funding last year from pretty homophobic people who didn't want their hard-earned tax dollars going to Queers in Toronto raises suspicion, perfectly valid suspicion in my mind. There are many members of the Conservative caucus and cabinet who have shown themselves time and time again to be homophobic, even within your narrow definition of the term (take Conservative MP Tom Lukiwski's remark that "There's A's and there's B's. The A's are guys like me, the B's are homosexual faggots with dirt on their fingernails that transmit diseases.") When these people are in government, and the government takes funding away from the country's biggest gay/Queer oriented event, questions are bound to pop up.

As for the word Queer, as a gay man who knows a lot of other gay people, the amount of us who have problems with the word are in the minority (at least amongst the people I know, which may be slightly biased to the younger and more academic crowd). The word goes beyond gay, including many other identities, some which are only related at all to being gay by the Queerness the wider world assigns them. Queer is an inclusive term that saves those of us who like being inclusive from those ridiculously long acronyms (Queer is much less of a mouthful than LGBT, not to mention its elongated forms).

I don't really know where this Nazi stuff is coming from. We've heard the words "biggot" and "Apartheid" in this thread, but that's a big stretch to Nazi. We're all well aware of what the Nazis did, and it's a general rule of thumb that we do not invoke such extreme rhetoric lest we somehow drag the victims of that regime into discussion to further or own point.

(I was debating with myself whether to post this next comment. So far this thread has steered relatively clear of the whole QuAIA debacle, and I would hate to be the one to ruin it, but I've decided it's appropriate given the shift of tone over the last few posts.) Generally, I would say the same thing about the word Apartheid, but considering the fact that leaders of the anti-Apartheid movement in South Africa have come out and embraced the word as an accurate depiction of Israeli policy regarding the Palestinian population, I don't have a problem with it's use in this context.
 
Nfitz:

With respect, I think some your recent posting contains a number of kindly missteps.

First, I too think the word "homophobic" is somewhat clumsy and inexact. That said, we're stuck with a lot of inexact language these days, like "Traditional Values", and "Equity Derivatives". We could use some new words that would more carefully distinguish the makeup of these things.

That said, since we're stuck with the orotund word 'homophobic' for now (it can be hard to get your mouth around), I'd have to say that Stephen Harper's attempt to re-open the case of same-sex marriage - after it had already been judicially decided - was a blantantly homophobic move. Thousands upon thousands of Canadian citizens would have been deprived of equal standing under the law, and deprived of their civil and constitutional rights. An attack on the street against an LGBT person is awful, sure, but when a government moves in cold concert against the rights of the same entire minority, is it not even more hateful and damaging? Or does the fact that it's done neatly, cleanly and according to a procedure make it more acceptable?
The conservative government has generally had a lousy and grudging record when it comes to social equality and help for LGBT people. Not unlike the Republican party in the United States. Not that the Libs have been exactly always liberating. But they have tended to be a tad more kindly.

Gay marriage is gay rights. That's a fact now. It's a bit disingenuous to argue otherwise.

As for being touchy and queer - well, of course! People who have historically been treated meanly by the powers that be are naturally suspicious of when those same powers tell them how to think, desire and behave. There are plenty of social examples where terms of opprobrium are reclaimed and redeemed by the groups those terms have been used against. Plus, time, like imagination, tangoes on. New freedoms, new forms, new expressions. The new buds are ever tender, etc.

I can only assume Mr. Harper is posessed of immaculate fearlessness due to the continuous battle-ready "war helmet" look of his hair. Also, the idea that the Conservatives have traditionally been behind the learning curve compared to the Liberals when it comes to political financing and organization - well, I don't think that does all those fine historical Tory businessmen justice.
 
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