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narduch said:
Places that have banned hand guns have seen drops in gun crimes.

Really nobody that lives in the city of Toronto NEEDS to own a hand gun.

We should still be tackling the illegal gun trade as well. But that would mean going after organized crime harder and our authorities don't seem too interested in that for whatever reason.
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Really? Chicago has banned it. Washington DC has banned it. How did it go for them. They still call it Chiraq even after there is peace in Iraq.

Let’s take London, where guns were banned 20 years ago. Homocide rate is creeping higher and higher, now it’s more than NYC.

You don’t need many things. Your car, double door garage house, 65” screen TV. Vacations eating out at restaurants. I can go on and on.

I certainly don’t need a handgun, but I won’t let you define what I want.
 
chicu1981 said:
Really? Chicago has banned it. Washington DC has banned it. How did it go for them. They still call it Chiraq even after there is peace in Iraq.

Let’s take London, where guns were banned 20 years ago. Homocide rate is creeping higher and higher, now it’s more than NYC.

You don’t need many things. Your car, double door garage house, 65” screen TV. Vacations eating out at restaurants. I can go on and on.

I certainly don’t need a handgun, but I won’t let you define what I want.
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I can't murder someone with my TV.

We don't live in the fucking Wild West. Citizens don't need hand guns.
 
AlvinofDiaspar said:
They will not? You sure about that? Recall all the noise about ignoring the long gun registry because they didn't feel bound by it.

AoD
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I actually do think there is a direct correlation between Harper destroying the gun registry and relaxing our gun laws with the rise in gun crimes.
 
narduch said:
I actually do think there is a direct correlation between Harper destroying the gun registry and relaxing our gun laws with the rise in gun crimes.
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I wouldn't go that far - violent crime waxes and wanes, but there is no need to put gasoline right by a fire. Also, there is no need to dismiss that there is a legitimate need and utility of guns in rural Canada, but the state is more than qualified to regulate what is permitted, what isn't and impose additional rules around every aspect of a tool that is designed to inflict damage from afar. And if it isn't a need, a want definitely isn't all that germane to having the privilege to access.

AoD
 
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AlvinofDiaspar said:
I wouldn't go that far - violent crime waxes and wanes, but there is no need to put gasoline right by a fire. Also, there is no need to dismiss that there is a legitimate need and utility in guns in rural Canada, but the state is more than qualified to regulate what is permitted, what isn't and impose additional rules around every aspect of a tool that is designed to inflict damage from afar. And if it isn't a need, a want definitely isn't all that germane to having the privilege to access.
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I don't know that there's really much "need" for guns in rural Canada. People in smaller towns are not constantly threatened by roving wolf packs carrying off babies. The major (only) animal hazard in, say, rural Newfoundland is moose on the highway and the only purpose of firearms is recreational hunting. Said hunting is an important past time, of course, but that doesn't really make long guns necessary. It absolutely doesn't allow for the "utility" let alone need for handguns. They should simply be banned. That's not to say that will solve the problem of shootings involving handguns, but it's the right thing to do.
 
JGHali said:
I don't know that there's really much "need" for guns in rural Canada. People in smaller towns are not constantly threatened by roving wolf packs carrying off babies. The major (only) animal hazard in, say, rural Newfoundland is moose on the highway and the only purpose of firearms is recreational hunting. Said hunting is an important past time, of course, but that doesn't really make long guns necessary. It absolutely doesn't allow for the "utility" let alone need for handguns. They should simply be banned. That's not to say that will solve the problem of shootings involving handguns, but it's the right thing to do.
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Just because you think handguns should be banned does not make it the right thing to do.

Most of you folks are way off the mark here. Instead of going after real criminals, you find it easy to prescribe policy solution for legal, law abiding gun owners just because you “feel” it’s the right thjng to do.

Going by this logic most things would be banned , because you don’t “need” them.

Also how about marijuana, do you guys needs it or is it a want?
 
Language boy.

It’s not a police state either. Citizens don’t need guns, but if they want it for legit reason, they should be able to get it.



narduch said:
I can't murder someone with my TV.

We don't live in the fucking Wild West. Citizens don't need hand guns.
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chicu1981 said:
Just because you think handguns should be banned does not make it the right thing to do.

Most of you folks are way off the mark here. Instead of going after real criminals, you find it easy to prescribe policy solution for legal, law abiding gun owners just because you “feel” it’s the right thjng to do.

Going by this logic most things would be banned , because you don’t “need” them.

Also how about marijuana, do you guys needs it or is it a want?
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There's plenty of information to suggest that people are obtaining licenses simply to engage in trafficking of firearms. A ban wouldn't fix the problem entirely, but it's part of the approach.

Anyway do you have an actual argument here other than being the resident gun lobbyist?
 
chicu1981 said:
Language boy.

It’s not a police state either. Citizens don’t need guns, but if they want it for legit reason, they should be able to get it.
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I'm not your boy.

If someone wants to buy a gun to go hunting I have no issues with it. Even if I would never partake in hunting myself.

I've yet to see a compelling argument in favour of hand guns. We don't live in a dangerous police state. That's exactly why nobody needs one.
 
chicu1981 said:
It’s not a police state either. Citizens don’t need guns, but if they want it for legit reason, they should be able to get it.
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Hey, I'm with you Buddy! I think we should all have Thermonuclear Weapons if we want them. Then nobody will mess with us, and we can blow half the face off the planet too just making them pay!

Think of the respect we'll earn, standing like big men. Yeah...that's the ticket.
 
I am member of IPSC. There are about 15-20k members in Ontario and about 50-60k members across Canada. 50 or so clubs across Ontario run IPSC. And this is the community of people who own large number of handguns, probably 15-20 on average. It’s an expensive hobby. A match day could set you back few hundred dollars. I would say average IPSC shooter has invested over 10K in equipment and spends thousands to compete on yearly basis.

In most cases, handguns used are highly specialised, customised, costing several thousands.


I addition to this there are large number of people who compete in Olympic style shooting as well.

There few less popular disciples as well where people compete as well.


So my point is shutting down this sport for 50-60k people will have absolutely no impact on gun crimes.

The guys in the hood are still going to get their guns one way or another. But you will not change anything except stop these people who would follow the law. Outlaws would not care.


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What would be a good policy, in my opinion, would be to ensure that there are control and checks in place to prevent wrong people getting licences. You need to worry about a person who just needs one gun or any gun as opposed to person who wants another for his collection.

I would be afraid of person who want just one gun and not the one who wants to buy the 17th.
 
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