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Which transit plan do you prefer?

  • Transit City

    Votes: 95 79.2%

  • Ford City

    Votes: 25 20.8%
  • Total voters
    120
EnviroTO said:
I don't understand the impossibility. How hard would it be to have stop request buttons? VIA Rail has some stops on request. I don't think there would be many stops that would get passed though since a large vehicle holds more people which means increased chances that someone on the vehicle will use the stop.
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All VIA stops are by request aren't they? Buying a ticket for a source/destination is the request. I don't believe I've seen any of their trains stop (Canadian, Ocean, Monteal/London/Toronto, or Skeener) without picking up or dropping off a passenger.
 
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Interesting how everyone calls me the "monorail guy". I have never heard of a rapid transit system requiring stop request but then again TC isn't rapid transit so I stand corrected. It wouldn't be an issue if it only stopped every 1 to 2 km as someone would always be getting on/off but this is just a streetcar.
 
ssiguy2 said:
Interesting how everyone calls me the "monorail guy". I have never heard of a rapid transit system requiring stop request but then again TC isn't rapid transit so I stand corrected. It wouldn't be an issue if it only stopped every 1 to 2 km as someone would always be getting on/off but this is just a streetcar.
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You're right, TC was never billed as "rapid transit".
 
Coruscanti Cognoscente said:
You're right, TC was never billed as "rapid transit".
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Of course it was but don't take my word for it just go to the TC propaganda video. It reinforces several times that it will bring rapid transit to all areas of Toronto.
Also BRT can be very efficent. Even Vancouver's BLine which does not have it's own ROW is much faster than any of the TC routes with the possible exception of Eglinton.
 
ssiguy2 said:
Also BRT can be very efficent. Even Vancouver's BLine which does not have it's own ROW is much faster than any of the TC routes with the possible exception of Eglinton.
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Did you just call the 99-B bus fast? It's certainly not bad off-peak ... but even a regular TTC bus route can do 32 km/hr late at night.
 
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Bombardier's press release:

Bombardier Receives an Order from Metrolinx to Build Light Rail Vehicles for Toronto

June 14, 2010 — Berlin
Transportation

Bombardier to supply state of the art mass transit solutions to support the Metrolinx 5 in 10 Plan

Bombardier Transportation announced today that it has signed an agreement with Metrolinx for the exercise of 182 option vehicles, included in the June 2009 contract. The agreement is valued at approximately $770 million CDN ($745 million US, 617 million euros). Deliveries of these vehicles are scheduled to take place between 2013 and 2020. Under the agreement, up to an additional 118 vehicles could be ordered at a later date.

“Bombardier is proud to be part of this very important expansion of public transit in Toronto and greatly appreciates the confidence Metrolinx has placed in us,” said Raymond Bachant, President, Bombardier Transportation, North America. “This order further solidifies our presence in Ontario and highlights Bombardier’s proven state of the art light rail technology, which is available to all cities in North America.”

The vehicles are BOMBARDIER FLEXITY 100% low-floor light rail technology. The five-module bi-directional vehicles are more than 28 meters long and 2.65 meters wide. These vehicles will provide reliable performance along with a wide range of features, including a step-less interior allowing easy access at street level; car capacity for more than 280 passengers; efficient heating and air conditioning; comfortable interior; enhanced accessibility and safety features; locations for wheelchairs and strollers; active leveling system to ease boarding and exiting; enhanced communications features; and a regenerative braking system that feeds power back into the Metrolinx network.

Bombardier’s FLEXITY low-floorvehicles meet the individual needs of numerous cities, such as Geneva and Zurich (Switzerland), Linz and Innsbruck (Austria), Lodz (Poland), Eskisehir (Turkey), Brussels (Belgium), Marseille (France), Valencia and Alicante (Spain), Palermo (Italy) as well as in the Rhine-Neckar Region, Berlin, Augsburg and Krefeld (Germany).

Final assembly of these additional vehicles for Toronto will take place at Bombardier production facility in Thunder Bay, Ontario.
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The Toronto Star reported them as streetcars, which they are not. They are not single-direction streetcars, but bi-directional light rail vehicles. They are to be built for the Transit City LRT lines, not the downtown streetcar lines.
 
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That should put an end to the mayoral candidates proposing to cancel these 4 LRT routes; I can't imagine that the province would be very happy to have to pay out Bombardier to cancel this contract!
 
rbt said:
All VIA stops are by request aren't they? Buying a ticket for a source/destination is the request. I don't believe I've seen any of their trains stop (Canadian, Ocean, Monteal/London/Toronto, or Skeener) without picking up or dropping off a passenger.
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Tee hee, it's Skeena :)

Typically the on board operating crew is given a manifest showing their power and consist, GBO's (general bulletin orders) detailing with outstanding track conditions for slow orders and the like, and they are notified of all planned stops. Outside of scheduled stops, they don't stop unless they have work to perform (pick-up/drop passengers), though everything is fluid and changes occur from the start of the trip to the end. The era of the flag stop is almost dead... some of the northern Ontario stops (out in the bush) for the Canadian are still flagged.
 
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Bombardier Transportation announced today that it has signed an agreement with Metrolinx for the exercise of 182 option vehicles, included in the June 2009 contract. The agreement is valued at approximately $770 million CDN ($745 million US, 617 million euros).
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$770 million / 182 = $4.2 million apiece. This is notably cheaper than legacy streetcars, which came at $6 million apiece.

These vehicles will provide reliable performance along with a wide range of features, including a step-less interior allowing easy access at street level; car capacity for more than 280 passengers ...
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Did Toronto Star get it right? I read several times that the expected capacity of new LRVs is about 175 passengers.
 
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