Second_in_pie
Senior Member
Nfitz, you're constantly saying that TC will be "good enough for now." But what happens when in 2050, upgrading the Eglinton LRT to subway costs $2 billion/km?
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MisterF
Senior Member
Forget upgrading. If the Eglinton LRT ever gets to capacity, do what every other city does and build more lines. A rapid transit line along the Weston sub, for example, would remove much of the demand from Eglinton West.
nfitz
Superstar
What's the net present value of $2 billion/km?
Though I'd be surprised if it reaches subway demands in only 40 years; and even if it did, then demand could be reliefed by construction a Lawrence LRT, or extending the St. Clair LRT east to Warden station. Or building the DRL to the airport.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
A DRL would be built before any Eglinton conversion, hopefully reaching Eglinton so that commuters don't have to use Eglinton or Eglinton West stations to get downtown.
Voltz
Senior Member
It will be impossible for the Eglinton LRT to become overcapacity as it would overwhelm the rest of the system to the point where a DRL up to Eglinton would be required. A midtown GO line would also divert many trips and provide better service when combined with the LRT than a subway.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
I would like to see more information on the midtown GO line. All I have seen so far are just lines on a map, nothing else.
Number 13 on this map show the midtown GO line:
ssiguy2
Senior Member
But you don't build an expensive rapid/mass transit system to survive for 30 years but rather 130 years. This is going to be the problem with Vancouver's Canada line. The most it can handle when all the station expansions are complete is 3 subway cars. Translink already knows it will have to replicate a line in 40 years. Not only is that incredibly poor long term planning but also means that to relieve traffic on the line will not only be very expensive but also that is money that could be used to expand the system into other areas.
One only has to look at the SRT to see the results of poor capacity and technology to see the results of this line of thought. Now after just 30 years Toronto is going to have to use some of it's scarce funds just to replace a line that is just 30 years old. Replacing that 7 km of RT is 7km of rapid/mass transit that cannot be built else where .That 7km not needed would pay for most { if not all} of the beginnings of a DRL from Pape to Union.
One only has to look at the SRT to see the results of poor capacity and technology to see the results of this line of thought. Now after just 30 years Toronto is going to have to use some of it's scarce funds just to replace a line that is just 30 years old. Replacing that 7 km of RT is 7km of rapid/mass transit that cannot be built else where .That 7km not needed would pay for most { if not all} of the beginnings of a DRL from Pape to Union.
kettal
Banned
The reason Scarborough RT needs replacement is not due to capacity, but due to the fact nobody builds compatible vehicles anymore. That's the problem with proprietary technology... i.e. monorails.
kettal
Banned
that's very true. The day eglinton goes overcapacity, replacing eglinton will be the least of our worries!
Second_in_pie
Senior Member
You don't think the SRT has capacity problems? It gets packed full in the middle of the day. It's a killer during rush hour.
And even if there were no capacity problems, the TTC needs to fix the huge mistake they made when they build the SRT. The B-D needs to go to STC.
Voltz
Senior Member
Where exactly did he say the SRT does not have capacity problems? Everyone knows it does, the point is it wouldn't if the TTC was able to acquire enough vehicles.
Second_in_pie
Senior Member
I thought that ssiguy was saying that we shouldn't make a similar mistake to Vancouver and build lines which are going to be over capacity in 40 years. To which kettal said that it wasn't because of capacity but because the cars aren't made anymore (which to me, ignoring ssiguy's point about capacity means he doesn't think it's an issue to take into account.)
Bottom line, the BD needs to go to STC.
Bottom line, the BD needs to go to STC.
nfitz
Superstar
It has capacity problem, but not because the line is over-capacity; but because we only have enough vehicles to run six 48-metre long trains on a 3.5 minute frequency at peak. If we were to run at the same peak frequency that Vancouver uses (1.8 minutes), we could run 12 trains which would double the capacity. If the platforms were lengthened in the same manner as Vancouver from about 50 metres to 75 metres (which never required huge closings), we could run 50% longer trains, and triple the current capacity.
There's plenty of capacity on the existing SRT line; the problem is no one makes vehicles for it. I wonder what happen if TTC were to issue a tender to provide vehicles for the existing line ...
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
Steve Munro make some comments about S.O.S. in his thread "The Space in Between"
Dan416
Senior Member
He can talk behind our backs all he wants. If he has something to say to us, he can come here. No point in us trying to make comments on his website when he'll just delete any comments he doesn't like anyway.