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the lemur said:
I never really hated the old ones but there's so much about these new ones that seems to be more appealing and/or makes more sense: the low floors, the wide doors and big windows, etc. What's really struck me so far is how quiet the propulsion is compared to the old CLRVs and ALRVs - so much so that the sound caused by minor unevenness of the tracks is much more prominent.
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The PCC's and CLRV/ALRV's had no bogie skirts to insulate the sound of the wheels.
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The new Bombardier Flexity Outlook streetcars have bogie skirts to help reduce the noise.
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calimehtar said:
Curious if the TTC might explore the possibility of adding traffic islands, anywhere in the system, for waiting, like the one on the north east corner of Queen at Spadina. If such a thing is possible it would go a long way toward reducing friction with car traffic.
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They're putting in new platforms on Bathurst south of Queen.
 
DSC said:
I think this is simply extending/modifying the existing platform. As far as I know there are no plans for any totally new mid-street platforms.
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I think that any new platforms will be constructed between Queen and Front because there is space available. Exact locations?
 
Our paint scheme is better than some cities' in Europe which have white streetcars. But the surfaces are mostly flat compared to the distinctive streamlined look of the PCCs or the rounded box look of the CLRVs. The headlights, so prominent on the CLRVs, are now hidden. These new streetcars are sleeker, but not that interesting. If they make a better impression, it's mostly because functional details like door widths have been updated.
 
junctionist said:
Our paint scheme is better than some cities' in Europe which have white streetcars. But the surfaces are mostly flat compared to the distinctive streamlined look of the PCCs or the rounded box look of the CLRVs. The headlights, so prominent on the CLRVs, are now hidden. These new streetcars are sleeker, but not that interesting. If they make a better impression, it's mostly because functional details like door widths have been updated.
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I do find it disappointing that because the streetcar is a long object the livery has been limited to essentially horizontal bands. I think it would be worthwhile to have something visually arresting, such as diagonals, to make it even more noticeable to other road users.
 
the lemur said:
I do find it disappointing that because the streetcar is a long object the livery has been limited to essentially horizontal bands. I think it would be worthwhile to have something visually arresting, such as diagonals, to make it even more noticeable to other road users.
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You think others will have trouble noticing these?
 
I said they would benefit from being even more noticeable, not that they were difficult to notice to begin with.

They're big, sure. Well lit, but there are other sources of light around. Boldly coloured? Well, the white provides some contrast, but in darkness or poor visibility the red shows up dark.

Using plain horizontal stripes just because the streetcar is long seems lazy and uninspired. It doesn't challenge the eye enough and is visually soothing because of its lack of dynamism. Since these will be quieter, a visually disruptive design will catch other road users' attention more.

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Caught 4401 at Eaton on Queen St at 9:45 and 4402 a few minutes later at Church going east with no escort and between regular service 501 cars.

Caught them again at Russel coming out of the yard and heading east with 4402 pushing 4401 on a test run.

They been doing this most nights this week.

The 5 videos will be up over the weekend along with photos. Had the wrong camera with me for doing zoom videos as it didn't have one. The other is in for service.

The door chimes are the same as the subway cars for closing.

Cherry St loop is being finish off this year at TTC request, as it wanted it out of its hair now, not 2016.
 
Russel Yard and all videos on line
[video=youtube;3efIhTMDSxU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efIhTMDSxU[/video]
 
I for one am glad TTC is switching to a more common/generic model of LRVs. It will probably save TTC a lot of money not to have order to specialized parts. Economies of scale and stuff.

Plus, the new LRVs look pretty awesome.
 
doady said:
I for one am glad TTC is switching to a more common/generic model of LRVs. It will probably save TTC a lot of money not to have order to specialized parts. Economies of scale and stuff.

Plus, the new LRVs look pretty awesome.
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Amen.

Unique transit vehicles are great fun until they need spare parts.

The design is unique enough. Yes, it's a Flexity and those things run around in a handful of European cities, but they all are styled differently.

And why design a transit vehicle from scratch? Isn't that kind of thinking what has plagued the TTC before (eg. SRT)? Just use something that's been proven in other cities.
 
They could just put a different body over the same mechanical components used in other models. Automakers do it all the time.
 
the lemur said:
I said they would benefit from being even more noticeable, not that they were difficult to notice to begin with.

They're big, sure. Well lit, but there are other sources of light around. Boldly coloured? Well, the white provides some contrast, but in darkness or poor visibility the red shows up dark.

Using plain horizontal stripes just because the streetcar is long seems lazy and uninspired. It doesn't challenge the eye enough and is visually soothing because of its lack of dynamism. Since these will be quieter, a visually disruptive design will catch other road users' attention more.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...ALk/UUReNCPYyog/s640/800px-Warszawa_-_003.JPG

http://gfx.mmka.pl/newsph/233488/75419.3.jpg

http://www.bahnbilder.de/1024/bruesseler-strassenbahn-faehrt-ueber-place-447861.jpg
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Those are all ugly as hell.
 
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