3Dementia
Senior Member
And what if there was a mega-dump of snow... particularly if the ground/grass isn't frozen... how would you clear the tracks?
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RedRocket191
Senior Member
adma
Superstar
Simple. Eat a lot of beans, then aim your keister at the tracks, and let'er rip
wyliepoon
Senior Member
If we don't get real grass, we can always have FieldTurf. Looks perfect, low maintenance, and BMO Field can donate it when it replaces its artificial field with a real grass pitch.
Automation Gallery
Superstar
In this modern world they have radiant heat under the cement with a snow sensor.It would save them from shoveling.I believe that the new Fleet street right of way had it installed.
Example> Edinburg, Grenoble
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3Dementia
Senior Member
Hopefully this is still under warranty.
Tramman
New Member
Trampower Prototype?
I found a picture of the current trampower LRV offering.
looks like a contender to me.
I also found the following post interesting, found here:
http://stevemunro.ca/?p=891
# Professor Lewis Lesley Says:
July 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Dear Steve,
I hope I may be permitted to contribute to this debate, bearing in mind that as one of the two bidders for the new streetcars, we are not allowed to lobby but we can provide information and clarification. Your various contributors have expressed surprise that a small British Company should bid. Obviously we only did so because our product is technically advanced, and yes the development programme over ten years was inspired by the thoroughness of the PCC. We also have in place production capacity and have bids outstanding in some five other countries, with the expectation of a confirmation for 60 cars shortly. We are offering to have up to 50% Canadian content and have had discussions with companies in the Burlington area as subcontractors.
Our bid is also about half the budgeted figure of $1200million. The difference could be used to complete early some of the extensions being planned, and discussed on your web Site.
TTC are proposing to offer 3% ($36million) to allow three demonstration streetcars to be tested for 2 years. TRAM Power would like to float the idea that the $36million be split between the two bidders. For our $18million we would offer at least 6 streetcars. This would allow an on street evaluation of the two types, let passengers and operators give their views, and still allow the new fleet to be delivered from 2012. We can start deliveries within 6 months of contract.
Independent power measurements by Manchester University on the City Class vehicle when it operated in Blackpool showed an average of 1kWh/km, less than energy needed for a small saloon car. It also compares to typically 4kWh/km of other contemporary streetcars with a capacity of 200 passengers. Part of the reason for this economy is the use of advanced power electronics.
The City Class has been designed to climb 10% gradients and has been tested on 8%, and turn through 12m curves. We have seen the detailed track plans for Toronto. The tightest curves are in the depots, where the slowest running takes place.
Finally the purpose of extended prototype running was to get out of the way all the possible risks. When the production vehicle is carrying passengers we know it is safe. As a little comparison in Britain nearly 300 motor cars catch fire every day.
Sincerely,
Lewis Lesley
Technical DIrector,
TRAM Power Ltd.
http://www.trampower.co.uk
I found a picture of the current trampower LRV offering.
looks like a contender to me.I also found the following post interesting, found here:
http://stevemunro.ca/?p=891
# Professor Lewis Lesley Says:
July 11th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Dear Steve,
I hope I may be permitted to contribute to this debate, bearing in mind that as one of the two bidders for the new streetcars, we are not allowed to lobby but we can provide information and clarification. Your various contributors have expressed surprise that a small British Company should bid. Obviously we only did so because our product is technically advanced, and yes the development programme over ten years was inspired by the thoroughness of the PCC. We also have in place production capacity and have bids outstanding in some five other countries, with the expectation of a confirmation for 60 cars shortly. We are offering to have up to 50% Canadian content and have had discussions with companies in the Burlington area as subcontractors.
Our bid is also about half the budgeted figure of $1200million. The difference could be used to complete early some of the extensions being planned, and discussed on your web Site.
TTC are proposing to offer 3% ($36million) to allow three demonstration streetcars to be tested for 2 years. TRAM Power would like to float the idea that the $36million be split between the two bidders. For our $18million we would offer at least 6 streetcars. This would allow an on street evaluation of the two types, let passengers and operators give their views, and still allow the new fleet to be delivered from 2012. We can start deliveries within 6 months of contract.
Independent power measurements by Manchester University on the City Class vehicle when it operated in Blackpool showed an average of 1kWh/km, less than energy needed for a small saloon car. It also compares to typically 4kWh/km of other contemporary streetcars with a capacity of 200 passengers. Part of the reason for this economy is the use of advanced power electronics.
The City Class has been designed to climb 10% gradients and has been tested on 8%, and turn through 12m curves. We have seen the detailed track plans for Toronto. The tightest curves are in the depots, where the slowest running takes place.
Finally the purpose of extended prototype running was to get out of the way all the possible risks. When the production vehicle is carrying passengers we know it is safe. As a little comparison in Britain nearly 300 motor cars catch fire every day.
Sincerely,
Lewis Lesley
Technical DIrector,
TRAM Power Ltd.
http://www.trampower.co.uk
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smuncky
Senior Member
just posted on spacing.
This rather interesting tidbit of TTC news just arrived in Spacing’s inbox:
The Toronto Transit Commission today announced that it has cancelled the Request for Proposal process to purchase 204 new low-floor streetcars. The bids it received have been deemed non-compliant. The TTC is now reviewing its options to ensure the current streetcar fleet is replaced starting in 2012 with new, accessible vehicles.
The TTC received two submissions for the $1.25 billion project. TRAM Power Ltd. and Bombardier Transportation submitted bids, but upon review TRAM Power failed to pass step one of the bid review process as it was not commercially compliant. Bombardier Transportation failed on step two – a technical evaluation that required a pass/fail on key criteria related to negotiating the tight turning radii on the TTC’s existing streetcar rail system.
A Fairness Monitor was retained to oversee the procurement process and concurs that the TTC has followed the process as set out in the RFP and also concurs with the cancellation of the RFP.
Under its procurement rules, the TTC may contact any vendor, including those who responded to a Request for Expressions of Interest, a process undertaken before the RFP was issued, and begin discussions to determine what, if any, issues or concerns any of the companies may have with respect to the requirements of this RFP.
The TTC is confident that it can work with a vendor to remain on schedule and meet its needs for new streetcars, including the option to purchase up to an additional 364 streetcars for Transit City. Using the specifications set-out in the original RFP, the TTC will now contact known and proven streetcar manufacturers to identify and discuss the issues that led the companies to a decision either not to bid, or to submit a bid that is not compliant.
This process will take approximately four weeks to complete. The TTC will then make a recommendation to the Commission on next steps.
http://spacing.ca/wire/2008/07/17/breaking-news-ttc-suspends-streetcar-prucahses/
This rather interesting tidbit of TTC news just arrived in Spacing’s inbox:
The Toronto Transit Commission today announced that it has cancelled the Request for Proposal process to purchase 204 new low-floor streetcars. The bids it received have been deemed non-compliant. The TTC is now reviewing its options to ensure the current streetcar fleet is replaced starting in 2012 with new, accessible vehicles.
The TTC received two submissions for the $1.25 billion project. TRAM Power Ltd. and Bombardier Transportation submitted bids, but upon review TRAM Power failed to pass step one of the bid review process as it was not commercially compliant. Bombardier Transportation failed on step two – a technical evaluation that required a pass/fail on key criteria related to negotiating the tight turning radii on the TTC’s existing streetcar rail system.
A Fairness Monitor was retained to oversee the procurement process and concurs that the TTC has followed the process as set out in the RFP and also concurs with the cancellation of the RFP.
Under its procurement rules, the TTC may contact any vendor, including those who responded to a Request for Expressions of Interest, a process undertaken before the RFP was issued, and begin discussions to determine what, if any, issues or concerns any of the companies may have with respect to the requirements of this RFP.
The TTC is confident that it can work with a vendor to remain on schedule and meet its needs for new streetcars, including the option to purchase up to an additional 364 streetcars for Transit City. Using the specifications set-out in the original RFP, the TTC will now contact known and proven streetcar manufacturers to identify and discuss the issues that led the companies to a decision either not to bid, or to submit a bid that is not compliant.
This process will take approximately four weeks to complete. The TTC will then make a recommendation to the Commission on next steps.
http://spacing.ca/wire/2008/07/17/breaking-news-ttc-suspends-streetcar-prucahses/
RedRocket191
Senior Member
RedRocket191
Senior Member
But you gotta admit they look way cooler than some of Bombardier's offerings.
Eastside
Active Member
Adam Giambrone is not pleased that no one qualified for the RFP for LRT vehicles and that the TTC needs to do negotiated procurement. 1m ago
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TKTKTK
Senior Member
Noooo!!!
Even if it looks real we can't put fake grass outside in place of real grass! It's just too cynical.
Even dry, yellowed, dead grass is better than artificial :S Ok, maybe not. But still; If we can't have grass, we can't have fake grass.
Filip
Senior Member
Agreed, but think of it as a cosmetic thing.. Those streetcars probably break down every 100km. I wouldn't trust anything manufactured in the Balkans, ever.
Dichotomy
Banned
This is one debate that I will never, ever be dragged into...............