picard102
Senior Member
Do you have information the Judge, Crown, and Defence don't have?
FTA: "Both Crown and defence agree Norbu should be found not criminally responsible."
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FTA: "Both Crown and defence agree Norbu should be found not criminally responsible."
Admiral Beez
Superstar
What does FTA refer to? https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FTA. Forgive them all?
PL1
Active Member
Perhaps "From The Article"? (I don't know this acronym – or IDNKTA)
edit to add lame acronym joke
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Northern Light
Superstar
Really?
Let me repost the article link for credit purposes here and making it easy for everyone to follow:
Man admits to setting fire, killing nursing student on a TTC bus; but says he wasn’t criminally responsible at the time
Tenzin Norbu pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder due to mental illness. Both Crown and defence agree Norbu should be found not criminally responsible.
www.thestar.com
From the above:
We can really stop there , can't we?
The above certainly seems to establish that the accused in this case was not in his right mind.
To add to this, the Defense had their client examined by a second psychiatrist who then agreed w/the diagnosis/conclusion of the first.
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In respect of the second case, again let me post the link:
TTC subway pusher not criminally responsible due to mental disorder
Edith Frayne “did not have the capacity to appreciate the wrongfulness of her actions that day,” a judge ruled Thursday.
www.thestar.com
From the above:
To be clear, neither of the accused has been set free at this time; both were remanded to the custody of the Ontario Review Board, or in plain English, they are both now in secure mental health facilities and will be released only
when doctors deem that they pose no further threat to public safety.
turini2
Active Member
Really interesting - my experience in the UK is that manufacturers of buses/trains now see long-term maintenance contracts as another source of income. Without naming a particular rolling stock manufacturer, having a much lower purchase price but linking the price to a maintenance contract that will deliver their actual profit...
A similar approach to the car industry - they want you to visit the BMW service centre every time your car needs a service!
Not a surprise that the union is pushing back on this.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Which makes me wonder how many other potentially homicidal schizophrenics are wandering the TTC today, just waiting for their chance to stab, push or immolate us. Of course it's not just on the TTC where this is an issue.
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nfitz
Superstar
This decision seems in line with decades of similar decisions, and keeps Canadians safe, by keeping him incarcerated much longer if he s still a danger to society.
I'm not sure why some seem more interested in vengeance than the safety of Canadians.
The death rate from cycling and cars is much higher than the death rate from riding the TTC.
There's no need to be frightened.
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allengeorge
Senior Member
Which makes me wonder how many other potentially homicidal schizophrenics are wandering the TTC today, just waiting for their chance to stab, push or immolate us. Of course it's not just on the TTC where the insane will get us.
A list of some of those found not criminally responsible by a court
VANCOUVER — Blair Donnelly, 64, faces three counts of aggravated assault over allegations he stabbed and injured three people at a Vancouver Chinatown festival on Sunday. Donnelly was free on day release from the forensic psychiatric hospital in Metro Vancouver. He was originally in care after...toronto.citynews.ca
With such monsters among us I'll stick to driving the car, cycling or walking.
Jeez - so much fear in your life. It feels like fully half of your posts are rooted in fear of living and traveling in the city. Doesn’t it get draining?
Admiral Beez
Superstar
I thought that might provoke such a reply, apologies for the hyperbole, I'll clean that up a little with an edit.
Not to worry, I'm good, and there's no fear, but more pent up frustration re. this repeat issue of mentally ill killings on the TTC. I live and travel in the city fine.
It's just my rant against a transit and health system that seems to ignore safety and prevention in the name of economics.
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smallspy
Senior Member
To a degree, this is and has been the case here too for a long, long time.
Bombardier held the maintenance contract for GO Transit going back to the middle 1990s, and operating contract since 2007. And there's lots of examples elsewhere in North America where Siemens, Alstom and others have done the same.
Dan
turbanplanner
Senior Member
Sorry not this specific case, but there have been a lot of insane ones in the news.
turbanplanner
Senior Member
When cycling or driving you have some control over what's going on. On the TTC you're basically hoping someone will step in
Undead
Senior Member
Yeah the arms industry has been doing this for a long time as well.
drum118
Superstar
There are public transit systems in the US run by outside companies for both operation and maintenance along the line of YRT. The length of the contract various from system to system with some changing hands for various reason from time to time.
It is common in Europe that cities hire firms to run their transit system fully or part of it than run themselves. There are cites that run their own system and others who do some and contract the rest out.
As noted, even the railway contract out the operation of the system as a whole or have 2 different one running the system while another does the maintenance with contracts ranging 5-30 years. A few of those long contract have been broken for one reason or another by both sides. There are some system fully run by themselves. EU countries must open their system to independent RR and complete with everyone
The goal of ML since 2007 was to have different operators operating various lines of various systems in the GTA from a single route to X size, but not for the full system. Going cross boarder was the first step for TTC, that takes place in the surrounding area today let alone for decades, along with transferring freely from one system to another for decades until this year when TTC was finally became part of it.
The province has the power to create transit systems and to dissolve them just like cities.
It is common in Europe that cities hire firms to run their transit system fully or part of it than run themselves. There are cites that run their own system and others who do some and contract the rest out.
As noted, even the railway contract out the operation of the system as a whole or have 2 different one running the system while another does the maintenance with contracts ranging 5-30 years. A few of those long contract have been broken for one reason or another by both sides. There are some system fully run by themselves. EU countries must open their system to independent RR and complete with everyone
The goal of ML since 2007 was to have different operators operating various lines of various systems in the GTA from a single route to X size, but not for the full system. Going cross boarder was the first step for TTC, that takes place in the surrounding area today let alone for decades, along with transferring freely from one system to another for decades until this year when TTC was finally became part of it.
The province has the power to create transit systems and to dissolve them just like cities.
evandyk
Senior Member
And the razor industry!