Judging by the location I think you're right.
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CBBarnett
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Found a good catalogue on a similar website for Montreal projects, including buildings, public realm, public transit etc. Montreal's current building boom is often overlooked with the distraction that English Canada has with the GTA/Vancouver affordability crises:
https://forum.agoramtl.com/c/projets-immobiliers/8
Thought it would be an interesting link for those looking for a different set of designs and architecture that we don't typically see in Calgary. Lots of urban "big city" development examples we really don't get here often (or in Toronto and Vancouver either).
My 5 minute skim confirms Montreal certainly isn't afraid of the mid-rise rectangle with zero set-backs - to great benefit IMO. So many "boring" new buildings but completely competent in their integration to the urban fabric. Calgary would do well if we had more design influence from places that get into that style -boring but competent. Also a good reminder that boxes don't always need to be 45 storeys tall with a weird roof point and questionable ground-level integration.
I would be curious on how the apartment/condo unit design looks within projects like these - do they resemble the contemporary Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver style of largely small studio / 1 / 2 bedroom units? Or do they lean more into some of Montreal's history, with many small but family-designed apartments? As Calgary becomes a larger and larger city, we really need to crack the code to build better units that aren't necessarily bigger (and therefore prohibitively more expensive). This would serve us well in the long run - perhaps Montreal has more to teach us than Vancouver and Toronto on this.
A few random project examples from Montreal:
I really like this first one. Reminds me of what Westbrook and TOD actually should be. It's a transit-integrated project in partnership with a housing access program, the STM (Montreal's transit agency) and some community recreation amenities built in. Even if Northland had an LRT station AND they built their original plan, it would only be a fraction of as good as this would function/look.
Nice, boring and competent boxes:
A urban master-planned community at scale:
https://forum.agoramtl.com/c/projets-immobiliers/8
Thought it would be an interesting link for those looking for a different set of designs and architecture that we don't typically see in Calgary. Lots of urban "big city" development examples we really don't get here often (or in Toronto and Vancouver either).
My 5 minute skim confirms Montreal certainly isn't afraid of the mid-rise rectangle with zero set-backs - to great benefit IMO. So many "boring" new buildings but completely competent in their integration to the urban fabric. Calgary would do well if we had more design influence from places that get into that style -boring but competent. Also a good reminder that boxes don't always need to be 45 storeys tall with a weird roof point and questionable ground-level integration.
I would be curious on how the apartment/condo unit design looks within projects like these - do they resemble the contemporary Toronto/Calgary/Vancouver style of largely small studio / 1 / 2 bedroom units? Or do they lean more into some of Montreal's history, with many small but family-designed apartments? As Calgary becomes a larger and larger city, we really need to crack the code to build better units that aren't necessarily bigger (and therefore prohibitively more expensive). This would serve us well in the long run - perhaps Montreal has more to teach us than Vancouver and Toronto on this.
A few random project examples from Montreal:
I really like this first one. Reminds me of what Westbrook and TOD actually should be. It's a transit-integrated project in partnership with a housing access program, the STM (Montreal's transit agency) and some community recreation amenities built in. Even if Northland had an LRT station AND they built their original plan, it would only be a fraction of as good as this would function/look.
Nice, boring and competent boxes:
A urban master-planned community at scale:
Kōsō
Active Member
A very cool seniors affordable housing project for Southview. An MTa project. Mentions project starts 2022.
https://www.mtalink.com/pf/southview-affordable-housing/
From the description I believe it is the property I have linked below...
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0361...4!1sDuWqg37BugMCGth_i11C4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.mtalink.com/pf/southview-affordable-housing/
From the description I believe it is the property I have linked below...
https://www.google.ca/maps/@51.0361...4!1sDuWqg37BugMCGth_i11C4Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
1875
Senior Member
im all for development in that area. id rather see lrt on the purple line before the green line. much more bang for the buck imo.
Urban Outdoorsman
Active Member
It'll be interesting to see if this area ever takes off in terms of redevelopment. At some level it's got a fair bit going for it and the area is reaching the age where redevelopment should start happening. On the other hand, the area has a rough reputation and isn't a terribly attractive corner of the city. I'd love to see that change though, but first we gotta replace all those strip malls on 17th. I love the diversity of restaurants and businesses, but the urban fabric sucks.
Mountain Man
Senior Member
Website says affordable housing, not seniors. Looks great, curious how much the VE process will water that down...
MichaelS
Senior Member
It is affordable housing. A City of Calgary project. Here is the website:
www.calgary.ca
Been in the works for quite a while, along with the Rundle one. Would be nice to see it finally happen.
Southview Affordable Housing
Been in the works for quite a while, along with the Rundle one. Would be nice to see it finally happen.
BellaArt
New Member
Does anyone know the company that produces the renderings for them?I think… I think I just… I climaxed.
Lmfao no. But this is seriously amazing. And it’s not even April 1st!!!
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17th Ave SE feels like it's close to making that turn. Reputations die hard unfortunately, but it is slowly getting better. Agree 100% the business diversity is great, and the terrible urban fabric. All those parking lots facing 17th really kill things.
outoftheice
Active Member
I'm curious... did a broad based land use redesignation plan accompany the design of the Max Purple BRT? That was the one thing I thought was well done with the Green Line design. The City of Calgary was taking steps to make sure the zoning for TOD accompanied the transit planning.
If it hasn't been already, 17th Ave SE should all be re-zoned to allow for 6 story, mixed use with sidewalk facing retail along the entire Max Purple corridor. As was mentioned previously, it's got a bit of a reputation but it is so close to the downtown core and now has high quality transit access so the reputation should start to shift. Some high quality rentals going up along the corridor would be a great kick start.
If it hasn't been already, 17th Ave SE should all be re-zoned to allow for 6 story, mixed use with sidewalk facing retail along the entire Max Purple corridor. As was mentioned previously, it's got a bit of a reputation but it is so close to the downtown core and now has high quality transit access so the reputation should start to shift. Some high quality rentals going up along the corridor would be a great kick start.
darwink
Senior Member
Pre-zoning can freeze the properties, ending up with the opposite of the intended effect. With triple net leases, pre-zoning can also drive out the business diversity and lower business occupancy. Just look at the 17th Ave SW Popeyes.
Now, planning documents in place that allow for quick process that isn't of a long drawn out battle, those are great.
Now, planning documents in place that allow for quick process that isn't of a long drawn out battle, those are great.
MichaelS
Senior Member
Looks like it was upzoned as part of the BRT project, and subsequent ARP that was done as well:
www.calgary.ca
Just looking at that one land use map for instance, it looks like it is zoned for mixed use, with an FAR of 4.5, and heights of 20-22 meters for most of the corridor.
Land Use Bylaw maps
www.calgary.ca
Just looking at that one land use map for instance, it looks like it is zoned for mixed use, with an FAR of 4.5, and heights of 20-22 meters for most of the corridor.
BKha
Active Member
I missed this when it first came out. Has there been any update recently?And now for the opposite of suburban sprawl....... Calgary River Wave Surfpark.
Renewed optimism for river wave park amid Calgary downtown revitalization - Calgary | Globalnews.ca
The ambitious project is estimated to cost $10 million and would sink a hydraulic platform under the water and could be raised and lowered to adjust the size of the wave.globalnews.ca
Renewed optimism for river wave park amid Calgary downtown revitalization
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Kōsō
Active Member