lightarchitect
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MisterF
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The problem seems to be that it's not being used as a replacement for lethal force - it's being used as a crutch. Or worse, as a toy. I don't know how you could make police use the taser property. Seems like the technology itself makes it too easy for police to be lazy.
Here's an interesting question - since they introduced the taser, have police injuries and deaths gone down?
CDL.TO
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Man To Sue Highway Patrol After Traffic Stop Tasing
Includes YouTube video of the incident. The cop tasered the guy as he walked away. Disgusting.
Includes YouTube video of the incident. The cop tasered the guy as he walked away. Disgusting.
ShonTron
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Wow. What a fuckin' redneck. Did not say how fast the driver was going (from what we can tell), the driver was asking questions before signing. Aggrevated assualt and nelect of duty come to mind in this case, never mind violation of several Amendments in the Bill of Rights.
At least with digital video and YouTube, the public can now see what the pigs are up to.
At least with digital video and YouTube, the public can now see what the pigs are up to.
-- Sir Robert Peel. (Man, when was the last time I've seen the police live up to these, rather than go political and power-mad?)
EnviroTO
Senior Member
If taysers are non-lethal we should allow public sale of them. It might get guns off the street and save lives if convenience store robbers can just walk it and shock the cashier into submission. We can get rid of the unsafe climbers and playground equipment that we were so carelessly exposed to as kids which has now been deemed completely unsafe and hand out taysers to kids instead because Tayser Inc and the police will have you believe that taysers are very safe.
The idea that taysers are non-lethal seems highly unlikely. People who have lived 35 years (1,104,516,000 seconds) are dying in the few seconds during or soon after being taysered. I'm no stats expert but it seems a little nuts to say that odds of 20 in 2,461,492,800 (dying during the 20 seconds around the time of taysering versus the 78 years of expected life) should be occuring as commonly as they are now considering taysers are supposedly used rarely. If tragedy can hit on those odds as frequently as it does then I need to spend more of my income on the lottery. After a taysering death they always quickly do a drug and alcohol test so they can claim secondary causes and reduce blame on the tayser. I have seen many intoxicated people on the street and at bars, some also high on drugs, and I haven't seen someone go from walking and talking to sudden death yet.
Has anyone seen the Tayser documentary? It seems like one heck of a smoke and mirrors type operation. It reminds me of the company producing robots in the movie Robocop.
The idea that taysers are non-lethal seems highly unlikely. People who have lived 35 years (1,104,516,000 seconds) are dying in the few seconds during or soon after being taysered. I'm no stats expert but it seems a little nuts to say that odds of 20 in 2,461,492,800 (dying during the 20 seconds around the time of taysering versus the 78 years of expected life) should be occuring as commonly as they are now considering taysers are supposedly used rarely. If tragedy can hit on those odds as frequently as it does then I need to spend more of my income on the lottery. After a taysering death they always quickly do a drug and alcohol test so they can claim secondary causes and reduce blame on the tayser. I have seen many intoxicated people on the street and at bars, some also high on drugs, and I haven't seen someone go from walking and talking to sudden death yet.
Has anyone seen the Tayser documentary? It seems like one heck of a smoke and mirrors type operation. It reminds me of the company producing robots in the movie Robocop.
AndreaPalladio
Senior Member
Apparently the nice folks at Tayser Inc are developing taysers for the commerical market in the US and A. Because they need MORE weapons.
EnviroTO
Senior Member
Why would they need to develop a new one if the ones the police have are so safe I wonder.
CDL.TO
Moderator
Maybe it's developing designer models like hot pink or powder blue.
Zephyr
Active Member
That reminds me of a prior time and place ...
dt_toronto_geek
Superstar
2 more taser related deaths in Canada
B.C. man hit by Taser, batons dies
36-year-old succumbs in hospital four days after RCMP subdue him with jolt, pepper spray, batons
Nov 25, 2007 04:30 AM
VANCOUVER–A B.C. man who was stunned with a Taser, doused with pepper spray and hit by batons during an altercation with RCMP officers has died, police said yesterday.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, died early yesterday in hospital, four days after two officers called for backup saying the pepper spray, Taser and batons did not subdue the Chilliwack man, whom they said was acting agitated, aggressive and combative in a local rental store.
The case is being treated as an "in-custody" death and B.C.'s Coroner's Office has launched an investigation along with the RCMP.
The Mounties are being aided by investigators from the Integrated Homicide Investigative Team, Abbotsford Police, and the Vancouver Island Integrated Major Crime Unit, police said at a news conference yesterday.
The death comes as the Mounties face intense criticism over the death of Robert Dziekanski, the Polish immigrant who died at Vancouver airport last month after officers used a Taser.
Police said last week that, when finally taken into custody, Knipstrom was conscious and still vocal en route to hospital.
The investigation into his death will focus on the officers' use of force and whether or not their actions were in line with both RCMP policy and the Criminal Code, police said.
The death follows on the heels of an incident in Halifax on Thursday. Howard Hyde, who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, died in jail about 30 hours after he was shocked with a Taser.
The Mounties released a statement from Knipstrom's father, Robert Thurston Knipstrom, asking reporters to respect the family's privacy and apologizing to staff at the rental shop for any distress caused by the incident.
Meanwhile, the B.C. man who shot the video of Dziekanski being jolted with a Taser got a hero's welcome yesterday at a memorial rally in Vancouver.
A crowd of more than 1,000 people chanted "Thank you, Paul," as Paul Pritchard spoke about how he missed a connecting flight from San Francisco before ending up at Vancouver International Airport on the evening of Oct. 13.
Pritchard told the crowd that, despite any statements by the Mounties, he saw Dziekanski being jolted with a Taser and heard his blood-curdling screams in the early-morning hours of Oct. 14.
He said the scenes that he recorded on a video that has been seen around the world are forever burned in his brain.
Pritchard said he met Dziekanski's mother, Zofia Cisowski, before arriving at the rally and that there were few words and many tears.
Speakers at the rally called for the suspension of police Taser use until investigations into Dziekanski's death have been concluded.
B.C. man hit by Taser, batons dies
36-year-old succumbs in hospital four days after RCMP subdue him with jolt, pepper spray, batons
Nov 25, 2007 04:30 AM
VANCOUVER–A B.C. man who was stunned with a Taser, doused with pepper spray and hit by batons during an altercation with RCMP officers has died, police said yesterday.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, died early yesterday in hospital, four days after two officers called for backup saying the pepper spray, Taser and batons did not subdue the Chilliwack man, whom they said was acting agitated, aggressive and combative in a local rental store.
The case is being treated as an "in-custody" death and B.C.'s Coroner's Office has launched an investigation along with the RCMP.
The Mounties are being aided by investigators from the Integrated Homicide Investigative Team, Abbotsford Police, and the Vancouver Island Integrated Major Crime Unit, police said at a news conference yesterday.
The death comes as the Mounties face intense criticism over the death of Robert Dziekanski, the Polish immigrant who died at Vancouver airport last month after officers used a Taser.
Police said last week that, when finally taken into custody, Knipstrom was conscious and still vocal en route to hospital.
The investigation into his death will focus on the officers' use of force and whether or not their actions were in line with both RCMP policy and the Criminal Code, police said.
The death follows on the heels of an incident in Halifax on Thursday. Howard Hyde, who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, died in jail about 30 hours after he was shocked with a Taser.
The Mounties released a statement from Knipstrom's father, Robert Thurston Knipstrom, asking reporters to respect the family's privacy and apologizing to staff at the rental shop for any distress caused by the incident.
Meanwhile, the B.C. man who shot the video of Dziekanski being jolted with a Taser got a hero's welcome yesterday at a memorial rally in Vancouver.
A crowd of more than 1,000 people chanted "Thank you, Paul," as Paul Pritchard spoke about how he missed a connecting flight from San Francisco before ending up at Vancouver International Airport on the evening of Oct. 13.
Pritchard told the crowd that, despite any statements by the Mounties, he saw Dziekanski being jolted with a Taser and heard his blood-curdling screams in the early-morning hours of Oct. 14.
He said the scenes that he recorded on a video that has been seen around the world are forever burned in his brain.
Pritchard said he met Dziekanski's mother, Zofia Cisowski, before arriving at the rally and that there were few words and many tears.
Speakers at the rally called for the suspension of police Taser use until investigations into Dziekanski's death have been concluded.
Zephyr
Active Member
One story after another. It is as if no one has read about any of these prior tragedies in law enforcement, or are waiting for some threshold before suspending any further use of the taser.
adma
Superstar
Taser, schmaser
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Tasers eroding public's bond with RCMP, watchdog says
ROD MICKLEBURGH
November 26, 2007
VANCOUVER -- Canada Border Services officials are to break their long silence today and finally disclose what happened to Robert Dziekanski during the 10 hours he spent in the immigration area of Vancouver airport, before the agitated Polish immigrant was tasered by police, dying moments later.
The information seems certain to further fuel the furor over Mr. Dziekanski's death, which so far has focused almost entirely on the safety of tasers and the actions of police officers.
The growing controversy was reflected yesterday in comments by RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy, who said the critical bond between the public and police is being damaged.
Yet public support for the police is essential to maintaining public safety, Mr. Kennedy reminded the CTV program Question Period.
"That bond must exist," he declared. "It is a fundamental aspect of our society. But that bond has clearly been eroded over the years."
On Friday, the use of tasers was singled out by the United Nations Committee Against Torture, which stated that "the use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture," and they can kill.
Police should consider giving them up, the UN committee of 10 experts said.
And on the weekend, British Columbia recorded another death of an individual who had been tasered by police.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, of Chilliwack, died in hospital early Saturday after a violent altercation with police earlier in the week.
Several RCMP officers used physical force, pepper spray, tasers and finally a baton before they were able to subdue Mr. Knipstrom, who had had previous run-ins with police.
Results of an autopsy are expected today.
Meanwhile, for all the attention on the RCMP decision to taser Mr. Dziekanski almost immediately after officers arrived, there has been little scrutiny of the extraordinary length of time he was held in a secure area of the airport, unable to contact his frantic mother waiting for him at the arrivals level.
For six weeks since the tragic incident, which drew worldwide attention when a shocking video of the tasering was released, the Canada Border Services Agency has steadfastly resisted shedding any light on the mystery of how Mr. Dziekanski could spend nearly 10 hours under their jurisdiction without being noticed or helped.
Now, the agency has scheduled a full-blown news conference for this afternoon, promising to release its report on the events of Oct. 13 and 14, outline steps to be taken in light of Mr. Dziekanski's death and answer questions from the media.
In particular, the lawyer for the dead man's heartbroken mother said the agency must explain how one of its officers could tell her travelling companion that there was no record "of a Polish immigrant" at the airport.
The information, which was false, prompted her to head home, while her confused son, unable to speak English, languished just beyond the immigration area's glass doors.
Walter Kosteckyj, the lawyer, said that the companion, who had driven the victim's mother from Kamloops to meet her son, talked to a CBSA official around 9:30 p.m.
In a conversation over an internal phone, the driver identified Mr. Dziekanski's flight, said that it had arrived in the afternoon, but there was no sign of him and his mother was concerned.
"The woman's response was: 'We have people here who can interpret. Don't worry.' But her advice was to go home. He wasn't there," Mr. Kosteckyj related.
"Her exact words were: 'Without breaching any confidentiality, there's no Polish landed immigrant here tonight.' "
At the time of the conversation, Mr. Dziekanski was believed to be still hovering around the international arrivals' baggage carousel, where it is thought he remained for hours without coming to anyone's attention.
"You'd think they'd have some computer record of him, or actually go look for the guy. But I don't think that woman left the phone," said Mr. Kosteckyj. "There are no heroes here."
In Vancouver, at a large emotional rally in memory of Mr. Dziekanski on Saturday that left many in tears, organizer Diem Job-Franke said she hopes the airport will agree to some kind of memorial to the 40-year old immigrant, who had hoped to start a new life in Canada.
Communications director Diana Barkley said the airport is open to the idea. "We're certainly willing to discuss this further. We look forward to it."
Back on Question Period, Mr. Kennedy, the RCMP complaints commissioner, said better civilian oversight of the force might prevent tragedies like the Dziekanski death.
ROD MICKLEBURGH
November 26, 2007
VANCOUVER -- Canada Border Services officials are to break their long silence today and finally disclose what happened to Robert Dziekanski during the 10 hours he spent in the immigration area of Vancouver airport, before the agitated Polish immigrant was tasered by police, dying moments later.
The information seems certain to further fuel the furor over Mr. Dziekanski's death, which so far has focused almost entirely on the safety of tasers and the actions of police officers.
The growing controversy was reflected yesterday in comments by RCMP complaints commissioner Paul Kennedy, who said the critical bond between the public and police is being damaged.
Yet public support for the police is essential to maintaining public safety, Mr. Kennedy reminded the CTV program Question Period.
"That bond must exist," he declared. "It is a fundamental aspect of our society. But that bond has clearly been eroded over the years."
On Friday, the use of tasers was singled out by the United Nations Committee Against Torture, which stated that "the use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture," and they can kill.
Police should consider giving them up, the UN committee of 10 experts said.
And on the weekend, British Columbia recorded another death of an individual who had been tasered by police.
Robert Knipstrom, 36, of Chilliwack, died in hospital early Saturday after a violent altercation with police earlier in the week.
Several RCMP officers used physical force, pepper spray, tasers and finally a baton before they were able to subdue Mr. Knipstrom, who had had previous run-ins with police.
Results of an autopsy are expected today.
Meanwhile, for all the attention on the RCMP decision to taser Mr. Dziekanski almost immediately after officers arrived, there has been little scrutiny of the extraordinary length of time he was held in a secure area of the airport, unable to contact his frantic mother waiting for him at the arrivals level.
For six weeks since the tragic incident, which drew worldwide attention when a shocking video of the tasering was released, the Canada Border Services Agency has steadfastly resisted shedding any light on the mystery of how Mr. Dziekanski could spend nearly 10 hours under their jurisdiction without being noticed or helped.
Now, the agency has scheduled a full-blown news conference for this afternoon, promising to release its report on the events of Oct. 13 and 14, outline steps to be taken in light of Mr. Dziekanski's death and answer questions from the media.
In particular, the lawyer for the dead man's heartbroken mother said the agency must explain how one of its officers could tell her travelling companion that there was no record "of a Polish immigrant" at the airport.
The information, which was false, prompted her to head home, while her confused son, unable to speak English, languished just beyond the immigration area's glass doors.
Walter Kosteckyj, the lawyer, said that the companion, who had driven the victim's mother from Kamloops to meet her son, talked to a CBSA official around 9:30 p.m.
In a conversation over an internal phone, the driver identified Mr. Dziekanski's flight, said that it had arrived in the afternoon, but there was no sign of him and his mother was concerned.
"The woman's response was: 'We have people here who can interpret. Don't worry.' But her advice was to go home. He wasn't there," Mr. Kosteckyj related.
"Her exact words were: 'Without breaching any confidentiality, there's no Polish landed immigrant here tonight.' "
At the time of the conversation, Mr. Dziekanski was believed to be still hovering around the international arrivals' baggage carousel, where it is thought he remained for hours without coming to anyone's attention.
"You'd think they'd have some computer record of him, or actually go look for the guy. But I don't think that woman left the phone," said Mr. Kosteckyj. "There are no heroes here."
In Vancouver, at a large emotional rally in memory of Mr. Dziekanski on Saturday that left many in tears, organizer Diem Job-Franke said she hopes the airport will agree to some kind of memorial to the 40-year old immigrant, who had hoped to start a new life in Canada.
Communications director Diana Barkley said the airport is open to the idea. "We're certainly willing to discuss this further. We look forward to it."
Back on Question Period, Mr. Kennedy, the RCMP complaints commissioner, said better civilian oversight of the force might prevent tragedies like the Dziekanski death.
ITcomputer
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ITcomputer
Active Member
it's even worse that they give those things to stupid rent a cops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE