ShonTron
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Buh-bye, "ttcroutesinyorkregionsuck" - you're adding nothing to this conversation or to Urban Toronto.
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Buh-bye, "ttcroutesinyorkregionsuck" - you're adding nothing to this conversation or to Urban Toronto.
What I don't get, is why anyone would live in York Region if the transit is so terrible. I certainly wouldn't ever live there!
What I don't get, is why anyone would live in York Region if the transit is so terrible. I certainly wouldn't ever live there!
But one can't choose to live there, and then complain incessantly about poor transit.Are you being ironic or missing cause and effect?
They live there the same reasons people live in suburbs everywhere. The houses are bigger and cheaper (at least at face value) and they have cars and they drive. They don't all work in, or live their lives around Toronto either. If you had a job in Markham you might well be perfectly happy to live there. Also, no Rob Ford, except on TV.
But one can't choose to live there, and then complain incessantly about poor transit.
It would be like choosing to live downtown, and complaining that your lot is too small, and you can't afford a bigger one.
And cheaper? Given how much bigger they are, and how much more property taxes are out in the suburbs (which is no surprise, because of the inefficiency of delivering services to less dense areas), and the need to have cars - often more than one!
There might not be Rob Ford in 905, but have you been following the dramas in Brampton and Durham?
FWIW, my parents lived here so while going to school I had my room and board subsidized. They also wanted me to develop independence, so they wouldn't drive me anywhere, thus requiring me to walk 20 minutes through bland suburbia just to get to a bus stop. I should be lucky they didn't live any further away from Yonge St...
This is one of the biggest issues with suburbia I find. People move somewhere without thinking about non-auto transportation. A car per spouse, and the kids are easily driven around...all is fine. But once the kids turn into teens, and parents are sick of chauffeuring these dependent teens around (just as the teens are sick of being chauffeured), then the question is: do we buy them a car (+ insurance, +maintenance, + fuel, etc); or demand better transit from our governments? Considering the costs of vehicle ownership, the latter seems to be the case more often than not.
So it’s a bit of a chicken and egg. Do we blame the gov’t for allowing auto-centric neighbourhoods where transit (or even sidewalks for that matter) is either nonexistent, or a low-quality and costly ad hoc afterthought? Or do we blame the public for choosing to live in an auto-centric neighbourhood, and not having the foresight to know that walking / cycling / transit could’ve been very useful to them in the future.
People may 'want better'. But re: the existing mess that is most of the GTA... I somewhat agree that people “can’t complain”. The die has been cast. The land has already been planned as auto-centric, and very little can be done to change that (other than, say, costly ad hoc remedies that aren’t all that great). That’s what I guess my point was: do we blame the gov’t for allowing this poor planning, or do we blame the people who should’ve done their homework before knowingly buying a home w/out nearby transit.
In the end, people are stuck with over-subsidized and inefficient transit, or no transit. And I guess the third option which is crappy transit for 99%, but a multi-billion-dollar subway for 1% in a new development (which is supposed to somehow make up for several decades of piss poor planning for the other 99%).
I don't think they are allowed to create anonymous attack accounts and post endless diatribes about how poor transit is in York Region on multiple forums. You should have a talk with them about this ...My parents moved to York Region in order to be walking distance from work. So now they aren't allowed to want dependable transit?