[bgobgo]

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Fences are coming in closer but I can’t recall how much higher they will be?

For the mathematician geniuses out there, for every foot of height increase on the wall what does that equate to in distance a ball must fly to be a home run??

 

[animatronic]

Fences are coming in closer but I can’t recall how much higher they will be?

For the mathematician geniuses out there, for every foot of height increase on the wall what does that equate to in distance a ball must fly to be a home run??

Home run launch angle is 25-30 degrees. Assuming a parabolic flight, the ball should be traveling at the same angle when it lands (ETA - it's probably steeper due to air resistance).

At 30 degrees the H:W ratio of a right angle triangle is 1:1.7, while at 25 degrees it’s 1:2.1.

So a rough estimate would be 1.5-2 feet of distance for every additional foot of fence height.

Of course there are other factors like the ability to play off the wall vs an opportunity to catch.

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

Home run launch angle is 25-30 degrees. Assuming a parabolic flight, the ball should be traveling at the same angle when it lands.

At 30 degrees the H:W ratio of a right angle triangle is 1:1.7, while at 25 degrees it’s 1:2.1.

So a rough estimate would be 2 feet of distance for every additional foot of fence height.

Of course there are other factors like the ability to play off the wall vs an opportunity to catch.

Yeah, it's weird all the posts I've seen talking about how much more hitter-friendly the ballpark is going to be, ignoring the extra height of the fences.
The team may turn out to be wrong that it's a neutral move but simply moving in the fences does not mean a kajillion more homeruns if you're also making the fences taller. I think that's obvious?

And per some of the fine discussion here, yeah, no one decides not to go see their local team because some other team across the continent has a better stadium or arena. The Raptors are allegedly #4 in attendance right now, despite a bit of a horrorshow of a season (and despite the age of their arena). The 3 teams ahead of them (Dallas, Chicago, Philly) have arenas of a similar vintage, and 3 of those are a bit older. It's almost like that's not a big factor in attendance or profitability?

Anyway, the Jays will likely get a nice bump this year from people at least wanting to check out the new stuff; all the moreso if it gets "good reviews." I'm looking forward to seeing it in person.

 

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Yeah, it's weird all the posts I've seen talking about how much more hitter-friendly the ballpark is going to be, ignoring the extra height of the fences.
The team may turn out to be wrong that it's a neutral move but simply moving in the fences does not mean a kajillion more homeruns if you're also making the fences taller. I think that's obvious?

And per some of the fine discussion here, yeah, no one decides not to go see their local team because some other team across the continent has a better stadium or arena. The Raptors are allegedly #4 in attendance right now, despite a bit of a horrorshow of a season (and despite the age of their arena). The 3 teams ahead of them (Dallas, Chicago, Philly) have arenas of a similar vintage, and 3 of those are a bit older. It's almost like that's not a big factor in attendance or profitability?

Anyway, the Jays will likely get a nice bump this year from people at least wanting to check out the new stuff; all the moreso if it gets "good reviews." I'm looking forward to seeing it in person.

The old OF fencing was still fairly tall but the new layout adds a bit more variety and asymmetry. My guess is we'll see more doubles and triples with balls off the wall, which likely motivated the team to shore up its OF defense.

As for Scotiabank, really don't understand the thinking behind the place being outdated or behind the times when MLSE has completed numerous renovations over last decade not to mention it's very much still inline with modern arenas with premium seating, suites, bars and amenities. All new arena builds have taken a page out of MLSE's playbook, not the other way around.

 

[UrbanOzz]

i know they announced all their new social spaces this past weekend but has anyone heard about what's underneath the new raised bullpens? is that just a party suite you can book? I can see a glass wall in the renderings.

 

[Jago88]

i know they announced all their new social spaces this past weekend but has anyone heard about what's underneath the new raised bullpens? is that just a party suite you can book? I can see a glass wall in the renderings.

I don't think that is glass in the renderings but rather some sort of netting. Beneath the bullpen will probably be where the relief pitchers are while they wait to be asked to warm up

 

[ryanbruins17]

i know they announced all their new social spaces this past weekend but has anyone heard about what's underneath the new raised bullpens? is that just a party suite you can book? I can see a glass wall in the renderings.

That's the rest of the bullpen. The platform is just the 2 pitching areas, the players for the most part will be underneath.

 

[UrbanOzz]

oh you're right. upon looking at the rendering, i meant in the right field corner to the right of the bullpen. there looks to be a party suite there or something.

 

[Jago88]

Ah, I see. You mean this section. Good question and I haven't seen or heard anything on it like the other social sections

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

Oh, dang. People on this thread be right. The ACC has hit the wall and needs to be replaced, as of yesterday.
When your 21-27 team isn't pulling them in anymore, it's time to take a long, hard, look in the mirror and do what the #22-in-attendance Clippers are doing.

 

[Mercenary]

Oh, dang. People on this thread be right. The ACC has hit the wall and needs to be replaced, as of yesterday.
When your 21-27 team isn't pulling them in anymore, it's time to take a long, hard, look in the mirror and do what the #22-in-attendance Clippers are doing.

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Raptors should tank. the next nba draft class is the best since 2003. we will be contenders in a few years

 

[C-mac]

Oh, dang. People on this thread be right. The ACC has hit the wall and needs to be replaced, as of yesterday.
When your 21-27 team isn't pulling them in anymore, it's time to take a long, hard, look in the mirror and do what the #22-in-attendance Clippers are doing.

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We’re way off topic here with this building, but I have no idea what people are talking about when it comes to this building being outdated. Nowhere even close. This thing should easily be around for another 60 years , and one could argue it’s probably one of the best venues in sports given its location.

Skydome on the other hand just got caught in a bad situation. Terrible timing. It was great when it came out, then 3 years later Camden yards was finished and the stadium was no longer cool

 

[animatronic]

Some quick data on stadium age. For average attendance, the age of the stadium has minimal impact on ticket sales. If anything there is a slight negative correlation but that's largely due to BOS/CHC skewing the trendline.

Now attendance =/= ticket revenue, as premium boxes, amenities and location can skew the average ticket price considerably. Didn't see any breakouts of ticket sales, but a couple of websites (unsourced) give a summary of total revenue per team. In this case the there is a U-shaped effect, with recent builds showing revenue upticks. Question is whether this is a permanent change, or if team revenue reverts to the average once the shine of a new building wears off.

 

[Mercenary]

We’re way off topic here with this building, but I have no idea what people are talking about when it comes to this building being outdated. Nowhere even close. This thing should easily be around for another 60 years , and one could argue it’s probably one of the best venues in sports given its location.

Skydome on the other hand just got caught in a bad situation. Terrible timing. It was great when it came out, then 3 years later Camden yards was finished and the stadium was no longer cool

Skydome is like the first kid in the neighborhood to get a nice flasy toy....but then suddenly it becomes very dated.

Skydome opened in 1989 but by 1995 it was already obsolete when Camden Yards opened in Baltimore which showed how to do baseball specific venues right.

I think we just need to bite the bullet and demolish the entire Skydome and build a new venue. Jays can play in Montreal or Buffalo for a few years until the Stadium is built.

 

[TJ O'Pootertoot]

Nice charts!

It would be interesting to correlate average ticket price and/or revenue for the Jays next year. I would guess that, even with a reduced seat count, they will get bump. And the renovations to 100-level should even further help increase the average price, I'd think. (And if they, say, win the All Star Game bid, the PR leading up to and after that should help too.)

SkyDome obviously has more seats than the Ex ever did but the bump there is still pretty amazing,
1988 - 2.6m
1989 (hybrid season) -3.3m
1990 - 3.8m

And then they broke 4 million 3 years in a row. It goes without saying, the team winning the World Series, hosting the All Star Game etc. all helped too, but it's still impressive (and quite likely a record that will never be broken). Even in strike-shortened 1994 they were on pace to be up there again and still had 2.9M in 1995. Then it was a pretty steady decline until they fell off the cliff in 2000.

And it didn't finally drop in 2000 because Camden Yards was cooler. The stadium itself wasn't a draw anymore and the team was flatlining with new ownership etc. Yes, it was the last of its kind before the retro, baseball-only parks came in etc., but it's at least partly beside the point.

If your on-field product is a joke, I'm sure the new-facilities bump doesn't get you very far but there's definitely a bump to be had, yes, even with this facility that was apparently outdated by 1992.