[Fred.S]

It would be great getting a 300 km/h service. However I really do hope the corridor is designed with higher speeds in mind i.e 350-400 km/h range to protect for potential future train technologies.

The futurist in me wishes the governement would start a long-term corridor protection program for province/country-wide 500+ km/h services.

With Japan already constructing a 500 km/h maglev, I'm hoping HSR isn't going to seem dated in 20-30 years.

 

[nfitz]

The government's release talks about speeds "up to 300km/hour". I suspect a lot of the old O&Q ROW between Havelock and Glen Tay will be unsuitable for adaptation for those speeds.

I'd think that they'd have to be looking at a greenfield alignment from north Pickering to Smith Falls with the travel time they've published.

 

[Towered]

It would be great getting a 300 km/h service. However I really do hope the corridor is designed with higher speeds in mind i.e 350-400 km/h range to protect for potential future train technologies.

The futurist in me wishes the governement would start a long-term corridor protection program for province/country-wide 500+ km/h services.

With Japan already constructing a 500 km/h maglev, I'm hoping HSR isn't going to seem dated in 20-30 years.

I can't see a country-wide connection ever. The distances between the significant urban centres is just too great. The Corridor makes sense, but say from Toronto to Winnipeg? The cost could never be justified, never mind going even further west from there.

 

[micheal_can]

1. While the timing of this latest announcement is unfortunate. One could argue that by attaching it to the election, it has now become an election issue, that demands a reponse from all the interested parties. So in effect assuming the next govt is in support of the project their would be a mandate.

I wonder if it being announced will make the 'lines on a map' in AB for HSR will be promised.

 

[generalcanada]

I can't see a country-wide connection ever. The distances between the significant urban centres is just too great. The Corridor makes sense, but say from Toronto to Winnipeg? The cost could never be justified, never mind going even further west from there.

youre looking at 21 hours from toronto to winnipeg just travelling alongside the trans canada highway, even if its non-stop, the best case scenario for time would be like 8-10 hours total trip
Nevermind the fact that its double the length of this proposal. Even if you consider it half-jokingly. at 100 million per km youre looking at almost 200 billion. JFC

Except for the edmonton-alberta corridor and maybe the west coast international line, there really isnt anywhere else to throw high-speed lines.
Canada is just too vast and too complex

 

[micheal_can]

I can't see a country-wide connection ever. The distances between the significant urban centres is just too great. The Corridor makes sense, but say from Toronto to Winnipeg? The cost could never be justified, never mind going even further west from there.

The 3 Prairie provinces may make sense. The connection to Ontario would be one of the last places to make sense.

 

[Towered]

The 3 Prairie provinces may make sense. The connection to Ontario would be one of the last places to make sense.

No. It will never, ever make sense. To even entertain the thought is utter folly.

 

[micheal_can]

No. It will never, ever make sense. To even entertain the thought is utter folly.

Hence why I say it would be the last place. The sheer distance and lack of anything for about 1000km makes it a non starter. Maybe in 100yearsthe population of those tiny continuities might grow to.... nothing much more...Even a Winnipeg to Thunder Bay would not be worth doing.

 

[Mihairokov]

It would be great getting a 300 km/h service. However I really do hope the corridor is designed with higher speeds in mind i.e 350-400 km/h range to protect for potential future train technologies.

The futurist in me wishes the governement would start a long-term corridor protection program for province/country-wide 500+ km/h services.

With Japan already constructing a 500 km/h maglev, I'm hoping HSR isn't going to seem dated in 20-30 years.

China's trains are capable doing Beijing<->Hong Kong (2,300+KM) in ~8 hours. A rough equivalent would be our trains doing Quebec City<->Windsor in four hours. By increasing top speeds from 300km/h to 350km/h they were able to shave 45 minutes off of the ~9 hour trip.

So, agreed broadly, but I think we need to build it first before we start hoping for upgrades. Anything to get Toronto<->Ottawa down to 3 hours, speaking selfishly

 

[travis3000]

The government's release talks about speeds "up to 300km/hour". I suspect a lot of the old O&Q ROW between Havelock and Glen Tay will be unsuitable for adaptation for those speeds. Even for the flatter, more open portions, cutting through towns, villages and settlements won't be suitable, even for lower 'high speeds'. I'm not surprised the mayor of Peterborough doesn't want the line cutting through the city. With Pickering now dead, he no doubt has an eye to the expansion potential with having passenger rail near their airport.

The mayor of Peterborough should be happy his city is even included in the plan. If I were the feds, I'd tell him to go fly a kite. This project should be only Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal-Quebec City. That's your phase 1. Focus on that first.

Then you can connect the dots with smaller stations later.

 

[travis3000]

As usual, Trudeau and the Liberals are playing 100% to their base while infuriating everyone else. If Trudeau thought outside his Montreal-Toronto cocktail circuit, he would realize there are other parts of the country as well. This should NEVER have been presented as planned unless it cam with a similar amount of money for Calgary-Edmonton {roughly per-km of the route} as well as firm dates for expansion to London & Windsor, the 4th and 7th busiest stations on the network and London is busier than Quebec City.

This may help his base in the Golden Triangle but will alienate everyone else.

Toronto= Canada's largest city.
Ottawa= The capital of Canada
Montreal= Canada's 2nd largest city.

It makes sense to start where the people are. Alberta always wants to think they are the centre of the country, they are not. For economic reasons alone it makes way more sense to connect 12 million people than it does to connect 3 million.

 

[micheal_can]

Toronto= Canada's largest city.
Ottawa= The capital of Canada
Montreal= Canada's 2nd largest city.

It makes sense to start where the people are. Alberta always wants to think they are the centre of the country, they are not. For economic reasons alone it makes way more sense to connect 12 million people than it does to connect 3 million.

Calgary is the third highest populous city and 5th highest metro in Canada.
Edmonton is the 5th highest populous city and 6th highest metro in Canada.

Banff and Jasper both see over 1million visitors a year.

Winnipeg is the 6th highest populous city and 8th highest metro in Canada. The problem is,it is 1300 km to Edmonton and Calgary with low population centres between.

For `700km, you can connect Banff - Calgary - Edmonton - Jasper. Beyond that, the rest would not be worth it. However, if the provinces wanted to fund beyond that, then so be it.

 

[kEiThZ]

The government's release talks about speeds "up to 300km/hour". I suspect a lot of the old O&Q ROW between Havelock and Glen Tay will be unsuitable for adaptation for those speeds. Even for the flatter, more open portions, cutting through towns, villages and settlements won't be suitable, even for lower 'high speeds'. I'm not surprised the mayor of Peterborough doesn't want the line cutting through the city. With Pickering now dead, he no doubt has an eye to the expansion potential with having passenger rail near their airport.

There is nothing that says they are using that RoW as currently aligned today. The original intention for that RoW was for HFR. I don't get why people still think they will hamfist a 300 kph train directly onto this RoW. That seems unlikely. They'll probably use parts of it. But I expect substantial deviation.

 

[Thaboss]

I wonder if it being announced will make the 'lines on a map' in AB for HSR will be promised.

I personally doubt it because AB is leading that project, it is mot interprovincial so the feds will probably take a backseat to the development of the line over there and Alto has been in the works for years. It's not like ford's promise for GO 3.0, there is actually meat on those bones

 

[kEiThZ]

Toronto= Canada's largest city.
Ottawa= The capital of Canada
Montreal= Canada's 2nd largest city.

It makes sense to start where the people are. Alberta always wants to think they are the centre of the country, they are not. For economic reasons alone it makes way more sense to connect 12 million people than it does to connect 3 million.

Don't bother. He's a troll who is just here to whine. Hasn't lived in any of these three cities in years. Or ever. He's from London, ON and lives in Vancouver.

The feds spent $30+ B building a pipeline to help the economy of the 4M people who live in Alberta. The idea that $80B to benefit the 14M who live along the proposed Alto route in not at all far-fetched. And that's assuming net cost is that high. We have no idea what net cost will be till the design phase is finished. But it'll be a lot the pipeline we bought. It'll probably net out over two to three decades.