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Respectfully, and I do mean this respectfully, the business case for connecting the gta to ottawa and montreal is on a whole nother levelCalgary is the third highest populous city and 5th highest metro in Canada.
Edmonton is the 5th highest populous city and 6th highest metro in Canada.
Banff and Jasper both see over 1million visitors a year.
I do agree that the TOM is a whole other level. I am more thinking of election promises.Respectfully, and I do mean this respectfully, the business case for connecting the gta to ottawa and montreal is on a whole nother level
A rail connection in the west will at some point happen, but let's be realistic about the business case vs. Rail connection in the west.
How about we just leave smaller places like Edmonton and Calgary out of this threadjacking.I do agree that the TOM is a whole other level. I am more thinking of election promises.
No. It will never, ever make sense. To even entertain the thought is utter folly.
Yes, but.....I don't think it needs to be either/or. A by-pass would be relatively easy to design and build and that would probably be what most of the high speed trains would use. But slower local services or the occasional high speed train could use a station downtown. Some of the smaller cities in France are set up like this. No need for viaducts or grade separations (maybe a few on busier streets), they would simply operate as conventional trains on conventional tracks. A simple lift bridge would suffice over the canal.
Calgary is the third highest populous city and 5th highest metro in Canada.
Edmonton is the 5th highest populous city and 6th highest metro in Canada.
Banff and Jasper both see over 1million visitors a year.
Winnipeg is the 6th highest populous city and 8th highest metro in Canada. The problem is,it is 1300 km to Edmonton and Calgary with low population centres between.
For `700km, you can connect Banff - Calgary - Edmonton - Jasper. Beyond that, the rest would not be worth it. However, if the provinces wanted to fund beyond that, then so be it.
Beijing to Hkg. You are running through 4, possibly 5 administrative districts if memory serves me right. Each with populations in excess of 45 million people,,and a couple in excess of 100 million. And yet, only one train per day, plus some overnight sleepers.The bulk of the travel is one shorter distance routes where the train outcompetes air, and there are many of those routes and trains. All supported by the density within these districts.China's trains are capable doing Beijing<->Hong Kong (2,300+KM) in ~8 hours. A rough equivalent would be our trains doing Quebec City<->Windsor in four hours. By increasing top speeds from 300km/h to 350km/h they were able to shave 45 minutes off of the ~9 hour trip.
So, agreed broadly, but I think we need to build it first before we start hoping for upgrades. Anything to get Toronto<->Ottawa down to 3 hours, speaking selfishly
I'm not sure what you mean about trackage to facilitate a connection. Presumably a bypass would be built south of the city and connect to existing tracks at both ends. I'm this scenario the tracks going through downtown would have to be upgraded but would remain conventional tracks with grade crossings.Yes, but.....
Those cities are served by existing lines and existing stations, with junctions built connecting them to the high-speed lines. In most cases, we're talking about singular kilometres of new trackage and ROW.
There is virtually no trackage in Peterborough that could be used to facilitate a connection with the new high-speed line regardless of its alignment.
Dan
I can't see the Peterborough airport ever being a significant airport for scheduled flights. Certainly not to the point of influencing where a high speed rail station is located. It barely has scheduled flights now and HSR will reduce demand for flying further.I would put the Peterboro station close to the airport, so they can share last mile connections. There isn't a lot of air service at the moment but there has been and may attract it again.
Thanks to the Trent Canal, an elevated guideway is a plausible solution. Nobody is going to build a lift bridge on HSR - the stopping distances implied when the bridge is up would be a nonstarter, and the train frequency will be too great for the opening and closing times required.
I wonder if there would be a stub or loop along the old route to downtown for the few stopping trains. Peterboro is going to get a rude awakening about how much service they will actually get, versus express trains blowing through non-stop.
- Paul
As much as I'd be hard pressed to chose between Guelph and KW, it doesn't make sense to have a bullet train stop in both as they're only about 30km apart. It would make more sense to run a regular train from one to the other to connect whomever needs the bullet train.Found the site for the old proposal for the high for Toronto to Windsor developed under the Wynne government. Hopefully it can be revived now that this line is gaining momentum.
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Worth noting that the existence of this proposal is what got the entire Toronto - Windsor section scoped out of HFR in the first place. The Feds came to Wynne about the project, and she told them to bugger off - she got this.Found the site for the old proposal for the high for Toronto to Windsor developed under the Wynne government. Hopefully it can be revived now that this line is gaining momentum.
Archived - High speed rail
High speed trains running between Toronto and Windsor could cut your journey time in half, create economic opportunities, and reduce congestion and greenhouse gases. Learn what high speed rail means to you and your community.
View attachment 632286
Worth noting that the existence of this proposal is what got the entire Toronto - Windsor section scoped out of HFR in the first place. The Feds came to Wynne about the project, and she told them to bugger off - she got this.
(Narrator: She did not, in fact, get it)
Worth noting that the existence of this proposal is what got the entire Toronto - Windsor section scoped out of HFR in the first place. The Feds came to Wynne about the project, and she told them to bugger off - she got this.
(Narrator: She did not, in fact, get it)
