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Actually, the report did not recommend using the TIA as the site - it's there along with Downsview Park for the sake of due diligence.

AoD
 
Current proposal for the LRT is to have a line run along Queen Quay, Commissions St, Unwin Ave, and Cherry St running to a new LRT station at Union Station.

At Bay St, there would be a new portal to allow LRT's to go east-west on the Queen Quay bypassing Union Station as well coing to Union Station.

Broadview line would be extended and connect with the Unwin Ave.

What needs to be looked at is a line on the Lake Shore Blvd running from Woodbine in the east to Parklawn in the west regardless if the Gardiner stays up or comes down. Strong oppostion not to be part of the TTC-TWRC Waterfron EA.

Also to run a line down Carlaw from the BD as well Parliament St.

Kingston Rd line would connect to Leslie St to Unwin.

To carry 25,000 riders per hour will require 80 LRT's, but the distance is only 4.3km long and impossible to do an under 2 minute headway. The best you can do is use 12 4 car unites which will mean 1 set at each end and 5 going each way. This will mean you will only be able to carrying 16,000 riders and not dealing with traffic. If dealing with traffic, then it will fall to 11,000.

The question that is up in the air will there be a special elevated line just for Expo or will it run on the street? TTC has no idea and that was quit clear at yesterday meeting when it was stated there was no Expo LRT's in the current plans to add 57 additional LRT to the fleet by 2015.

The other Question is what is going to happen to the Don Mills LRT and how will it connect with the Waterfront.

The big QUESTION is How is the City going to fund TTC for this Expo LRT’s considering it is balking at the current plan to obtain new LRT to the point they want to rebuild the current fleet.

I know a prototype LRT can show up next year with the first batch of new LRT’s to replace the CLRV’s showing up 16-20 months after a contract is issues and all 196 would be here by 2011. The 52 for the ALRV’s will be here by 2012.

Current plan calls for the last of the 100 rebuilt CLRV's showing up late 2011. Poor business plan.

The Term of Reference for the Waterfront EA is going to Council in July for approval and then going on to MTO for approval. The Queen Quay E Line is to be up and running by 2011 subject to Union Station being rebuilt.
 
Toronto committee approves Expo bid
Unanimous support in sending plan to full council


SUSAN O'NEILL
May. 18, 2006


Toronto's hopes of hosting Expo 2015 received a boost Tuesday when two key city committees voted unanimously in favour of proceeding with the $10-million bid.
"I think the Expo bid is an incredible opportunity for Toronto," Mayor David Miller told reporters Tuesday, noting it's time for the city to take its place on the world stage.

Members of the policy and finance and economic development and parks committees voted to recommend that council officially request that the federal government submit a formal bid no later than Nov. 3 to host the Toronto 2015 World Expo.

"I hope our federal and provincial partners, who have been working closely with us so far, will remain on board," Miller said.

According to the Bureau International des Expositions (BIE), which selects the host city for world Expos, bids must be presented by the national government.

Izmir, Turkey, is the only other city in the running to host the fair in 2015. The host city will be selected in February 2008.

The six-month expo would cost $5.4 billion in capital infrastructure, which would be shared between the city, the province, the federal government and the private sector, said Paula Dill, chief operating officer of the Expo Corporation,

Dill also reported the Expo would create 143,000 jobs in the city, would speed up redevelopment of the port lands and generate $5.3 million in tax revenues for the three levels of government.

Councillors also heard the city is anticipating 21.6 million visitors, half of whom wouldn't otherwise visit Toronto.

And, Dill said, those tourists would spend roughly $4.5 billion in the city.

Dill also reported the expo would result in $1.5 billion in "physical legacies to the city", including basic infrastructure improvements, the construction of 1,900 units of affordable housing and the construction of three themed pavilions on the waterfront, including a 500-seat theatre and numerous upgrades to local transit.

"This is a project that's important to the city for a number of reasons," said Ward 36 Councillor Brian Ashton (Scarborough-Southwest), who has spearheaded the steering committee behind the expo bid. "It's a project that depends to a great extent on the ability of this council to dream successfully."

Ashton said the expo "knits and meshes together all of the smaller dreams and all of the goals and objectives that we have for the larger city, not just the waterfront, but the larger city."

Ashton recognized that some councillors and community members have questioned just what an expo that's situated on the waterfront will mean to the rest of Toronto.

"The site is just the main stage. It's just the stage. When people look back out they will see the rest of the city. And when they experience the theme on expo sites it will inspire them to want to step out and enjoy and experience the rest of Toronto, whether it's Scarborough, Etobicoke or North York," (riiiiiiiiiight) he said, adding there will be tremendous benefits to the city.

"It's Toronto's time and its Toronto's turn," Ashton said.

Councillors also got their first look Tuesday at the proposed theme for the fair: the Spirit of Ingenuity.

"We have incredible ingenuity here. We have 150,000 people employed in creative industries in Toronto and it's very important for this city to…foster that spirit of creativity," Miller said.

The mayor also noted that Canada's bids are looked on favourably because past world fairs have been successful here.

Montreal hosted Expo '67, and Vancouver hosted Expo '86.

"They've been successful for the BIE. They've been successful for Canada and most of all they were successful for the two cities in which they were held," Miller said.
 
Why should it be a "either-or" proposition? These choosing one over the other exercises are exactly what lead to getting nothing done on the waterfront.

Because we are talking about debt, not profits. You can't always have both.
 
Toronto will make a bid to host World Expo 2015 after the city’s council gave the green light.
If the city wins the bid, which has to be in by Nov. 3, the Expo will take place on a refurbished site in Toronto’s portlands.

Mayor David Miller called the Expo a huge opportunity for the city and the province.

Miller says it will accelerate the development of the city’s neglected waterfront and lead to new infrastructure for arts and community facilities.

An economic study of the bid by PricewaterhouseCoopers projected the Expo could generate $8.1 billion in gross domestic product and create 143,000 jobs.

The city now needs to seek approval from the federal and provincial governments.

Other cities planning to bid on the 2015 Expo include Las Vegas, Atlanta, New York, San Francisco, Moscow; Izmir, Turkey; and Turin, Italy, which recently hosted the Winter Olympics.

Source: Toronto Star
 
It passed 39-2: Rob Ford voted against it.

When will that guy just lean over and die?
 
Current proposal for the LRT is to have a line run along Queen Quay, Commissions St, Unwin Ave, and Cherry St running to a new LRT station at Union Station.

That sounds expensive. I wish they had built a larger loop at Union station in the first place.
 
The city now needs to seek approval from the federal and provincial governments.
Thank God for senior levels of government to kybosh such asinine ideas like Expo bids. The sooner they put this to death the better and we can work on some other priorities.
 
Expo bid in by November 3rd.

Municipal election on November 13th.

Say no more.
 
Where do they come up with these crazy number of jobs that Expo will create. Anywhere from 140 to 180 thousand I heard? Sounds very fishy to me.
 
I know a lot can change but Miller apprently is the favour for the next election, Pitfield isn't according to the news.. lol

And that Mills guy had to make an announcement this week if he was gonna run cos any running person needs money pouring in to aid in the elction and help them win. :)

From those articles above, it seems Ottawa and Queens Park favour the bid :) Good news so far...
 
It passed 39-2: Rob Ford voted against it.

When will that guy just lean over and die?

And Michael Walker (natch) was the other one.

Actually, it's at times like that that Rob Ford's most "useful", at least to the bread-not-circuses crowd who find World's Fairs to be a little too goo-goo-eyed for comfort. (That's a lesson in political strategizing. That is, sometimes you have to know and anticipate how your seemingly worst enemies could just wind up your best friends, in spite of themselves...)
 
Royson on the matter, from the Star:

Shout it out: Let's get Expo 2015
Jun. 28, 2006. 01:00 AM
ROYSON JAMES

It's coming up on 40 years since Canada had its coming out party with the staging of Expo 67. And this summer is the 30th anniversary of Canada's first and only summer Olympics experience, the 1976 Games.

It is no coincidence that the Canadian city that hosted these two world-scale mega events is Montreal, a town willing to take a chance and not afraid to fail.

Toronto has twice tried and failed to host the Olympics and the world's fair. And this week, a delegation led by Mayor David Miller lands in Paris to begin the city's bid for Expo 2015. You'd never know, though. So low key is the effort, understated the goals, and modest the effort; so timid the approach that few in our vibrant, changing city realize the civic aspirations.

Montreal's culture is totally different. It lives by the motto, "Go big or go home." The result is the city's known around the world; the city wins, it loses, but always it makes an impact. Expo 67, a spectacular success, is viewed as one of the best world's fairs ever. The `76 Olympics was a financial fiasco, a boondoggle example of how not to manage megaprojects. Montreal embraced them both.

Can you imagine fretful, timid Toronto facing a similar fate?

First, we would blush if the world goes ga-ga over us. And we'd be aghast and apologetic and self-loathing if we were to stage a deficit-loaded Olympics. It's just the way we be.

If Toronto had the option of staging the `67 Expo and the `76 Olympics, with the same results delivered by Montreal, our city would decline. The negatives would overwhelm the positives. Montreal, I suspect, would do it all over again.

Just the thought that we might be seeking the right to host Expo 2015 has some of us fretting already. Oh, the deficits, the cost of security. One esteemed colleague of mine worried in the Star recently that going after these megaprojects was akin to "bowing and scraping and endless feet-kissing of people who have no right to decide what happens to our city."

How disappointing.

What confident, progressive cities have figured out is how important it is to leverage major events to local benefit. The International Olympic Committee and the Bureau International des Expositions do not decide what happens in our city. They award Olympics and World's Fairs. If you like their franchise, you plunk down your shekels and ride the train to deliver whatever goals you've set.

It's unnecessarily naive to think that if Toronto ignores these megaprojects the city will somehow use all that cash earmarked for Olympics security to revitalize at-risk neighbourhoods and improve community safety. More likely, we'll have no Olympics and no money will be used to revitalize neighbourhoods.

Nothing focuses attention more resolutely than a deadline. Nothing loosens the purse string and spurs a sprucing up of one's home base as an invitation sent out to all comers. A major event spurs spending and capital investment in worthy projects that might otherwise languish for lack of will. Other cities seem to understand this. Provincial, Presbyterian, sensible and cautious Toronto continues to play the role of bean counter.

We could learn from others. Vancouver is the new Montreal. Confident and self-assured, the city is opening to the world. It has hosted the world's fair (the B-class, smaller version of the one Montreal hosted and Toronto is after). And in 2010, the world arrives again for the Winter Olympic Games.

Will the Olympics cost more than Vancouver organizers predicted? Absolutely. Is it a bother? Well, of course, if your concern is the traffic and masses of people coming to your house for a party, and security fears. But, such matters — and the cost of the events — do not deter cities with pride and vision and drive and passion.

Moscow lost out in the bid to host the 2012 Summer Games. Now, President Vladimir Putin has indicated his premier city might go after Expo 2015 to demonstrate to the world how Moscow has embraced a whole new era of global co-operation.

If Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper does not match Putin's enthusiasm for Expo 2015 — the feds are reviewing Toronto's bid and have not yet decided if they will front it, a necessary first step to officially bid for the fair — Toronto might as well shut down the bid now.

For Expo to soar, the city needs strong federal government buy-in. It needs the province to continue its support. And Mayor Miller has to create a buzz around the event, even though it is nine years away.

"The new Toronto is young and vibrant and colourful and daring," says Councillor Brian Ashton, who's city council bid leader. "People want to be seen as winners, not passive losers."

Miller will be accompanied by provincial Tourism Minister Jim Bradley, and they'll get five minutes to address the general assembly of the BIE on Friday. The delegates from the 98 countries already know Toronto is capable of delivering a superb world's fair. But there's this:

"They'll look you in eye and say, `Show us you want it.'" Now, there's a challenge.

AoD
 
If Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper does not match Putin's enthusiasm for Expo 2015 — the feds are reviewing Toronto's bid and have not yet decided if they will front it, a necessary first step to officially bid for the fair — Toronto might as well shut down the bid now
Correct me, but I have not heard one bleep from Harper for Expo 2015. I don't think its on his radar or the government at that. Let's save a few million bucks and bank it for a bigger bid like FIFA World Cup. I've heard rumours about US-Canada shared bid. Toronto is more than capable to handle the responsibilities of a host city. Now that would create some buzz and excitement.
 

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