[kaptrice]

But we don't (or seldom) put stops that close together on subway lines in the suburbs!

Where the land use demands it, we do; hence North York Centre.

I support adding stations where it makes sense. East Harbour, Concord, Confederation, Stock Yards station for the Milton line (which IMO would better serve the St. Clair street car), etc. As long as there's a decent amount of space between the stations, then I'm all for it.

But you guys understand what's going on here with this Lakeview station? Doug didn't agree to build this station because he cared about offering transit to the people in this neighbourhood. His developer buddies want to use the tax payers to fund a GO station to be constructed in this area so they can mark up the homes in this new master planned community on Lakeshore.

Until that day that urban NIMBY is vanquished, substantial housing production in Toronto will depend heavily on TOD sites like these. Would you rather this site not have good access to rapid transit, and instead contribute however thousand more autos a day onto the roads? It reminds me of the arguments about the routing of the YNSE.

 

[nfitz]

Where the land use demands it, we do; hence North York Centre.

Which is why I said seldom.

I'm not even sure that North York Centre is the suburbs these days. The spacing WAS every 2 km there when it was the suburbs. I hadn't walked along far along Yonge there in decades, until recently. Even then (35 years ago), you could see that there was big change going on. It's very urban these days.

 

[kaptrice]

Doing a bit of spot-checking. The average station distance for REM is 4.2 km, not (about) 2.6 km. That does put that graph into question. (though I suspect that the general trends are correct).

The REM's initial segment is 16.6km with 5 stations, so 3.2km. The error, I believe, is that the unbuilt Griffintown station's been included, with which you'd have 2.75.

Which is why I said seldom.

I'm not even sure that North York Centre is the suburbs these days. The spacing WAS every 2 km there when it was the suburbs. I hadn't walked along far along Yonge there in decades, until recently. Even then (35 years ago), you could see that there was big change going on. It's very urban these days.

So it'd be with new suburban TOD sites. They probably won't have anything like the employment density in NYCC, being primarily residential, but urbanisation and transit access are going hand in hand here.

 

[MrGoose]

I support adding stations where it makes sense. East Harbour, Concord, Confederation, Stock Yards station for the Milton line (which IMO would better serve the St. Clair street car), etc. As long as there's a decent amount of space between the stations, then I'm all for it.

But you guys understand what's going on here with this Lakeview station? Doug didn't agree to build this station because he cared about offering transit to the people in this neighbourhood. His developer buddies want to use the tax payers to fund a GO station to be constructed in this area so they can mark up the homes in this new master planned community on Lakeshore.

Wrong reasons leading to the right outcome

 

[nfitz]

The REM's initial segment is 16.6km with 5 stations, so 3.2km. The error, I believe, is that the unbuilt Griffintown station's been included, with which you'd have 2.75.

With 5 stations, there are only 4 segments. So the spacing is: Length ÷ (Stations - 1).

16.6 ÷ 4 ≈ 4.15

If they build stations in Griffintown, then travel time would increase.

 

[robmausser]

But you guys understand what's going on here with this Lakeview station? Doug didn't agree to build this station because he cared about offering transit to the people in this neighbourhood. His developer buddies want to use the tax payers to fund a GO station to be constructed in this area so they can mark up the homes in this new master planned community on Lakeshore.

Liberal does this: "guys its called induced demand! We should be building transit oriented neighbourhoods and making sure that those stations have 15 minute communities around them!"

Conservative does this: "its nothing but a corrupt politician serving his developer friends"

 

[crs1026]

Liberal does this: "guys its called induced demand! We should be building transit oriented neighbourhoods and making sure that those stations have 15 minute communities around them!"

Conservative does this: "its nothing but a corrupt politician serving his developer friends"

Perhaps, but what should happen is that a qualified and independent third party creates an objective and non-partisan design for the transit infrastructure, using valid data and using generally agreed to decision criteria and methods....and then some reasonable consensus is reached between various governments about that plan, or some iteration of it.....and then everybody builds to that. Nobody should be able to crash the queue.

The ML plan was not without its flaws in method and conclusion..... but Lakeview was never in the plan until this particular developer showed up. We have to stop retrofitting intensive development to the transit network and build the two in an integrated manner.

- Paul

 

[Undead]

Liberal does this: "guys its called induced demand! We should be building transit oriented neighbourhoods and making sure that those stations have 15 minute communities around them!"

Conservative does this: "its nothing but a corrupt politician serving his developer friends"

Both parties have built or tried to build development oriented transit--TYSSE and Kirby GO for the libs--to benefit their land owner buddies in Vaughan. It's the same mob controlling both parties.

 

[kaptrice]

With 5 stations, there are only 4 segments. So the spacing is: Length ÷ (Stations - 1).

16.6 ÷ 4 ≈ 4.15

If they build stations in Griffintown, then travel time would increase.

LOL, I stand corrected. Basic geometric reasoning is beyond my abilities - a real shame.

 

[rbt]

LOL, I stand corrected. Basic geometric reasoning is beyond my abilities - a real shame.

You're not alone. The Fence Post Problem, it takes 2 posts to hold up 1 span and 3 posts to hold up 2 spans, is a common source of off-by-one errors in software.

 

[Bordercollie]

It's such a shame that Finch and Eglinton are almost finished and politics is causing delays preventing people from being able to use it.

 

[Bojaxs]

Photos I took today of the double tracking progress on the Barrie line.

Maple GO;

King City GO;

 

[Bojaxs]

Aurora GO;

Anyone know what the columns are for?
Is the plan to have the double track come to an abrupt end at Aurora GO? Or are they going to tie it into the single track somewhere north of Aurora GO?

In this photo you can see where the double track comes to an end.

 

[Bojaxs]

Would you rather this site not have good access to rapid transit, and instead contribute however thousand more autos a day onto the roads? It reminds me of the arguments about the routing of the YNSE.

Except I'm not arguing for cars. I'm arguing that we should extend or construct rapid transit lines to existing GO stations instead of building new GO stations.

Does it make sense to construct an entirely new GO station to replace a 5 minute bus ride to the nearest GO station? No.

 

[Willybru21]

Anyone know what the columns are for?
Is the plan to have the double track come to an abrupt end at Aurora GO? Or are they going to tie it into the single track somewhere north of Aurora GO?

Aurora will have a similar layout to Unionville with 3 platforms, 2 though and one stub.