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Hmph!, yeah! those bastards, trying to think for themselves!





When the US was a third world country by todays stardards - in the 1800s - mass transit was flourishing. The motorization of american cities killed this. The car and the car company is the enemy to mass transit. GM and others led the way to "rip out" trams all over the US, for example...
 
At one point LA has the US second largest trams system after Detroit until GM got a hold of it.
These large cities of Delhi, Mumbai, are three times the size of Toronto and growing at light speed. They have REAL transportation problems and would think Toronto as being nirvana. The are monsterous places with extremely high densities, narrow roads, and very limited funds. They had to make sure that when choosing technologies for their dev eloping mass transit systems that they choose the right one and are shifting to monorail. It is affordable, has a small foot print, can be built quickly and have subway capacity, and have small curve radiases to accomadate their thin windy roads so they choose Monorail.
These are cities that have huge problems and are making the best use of their limited funds. This is not something Toronto should be avoiding but rather emulating.
 
GraphicMatt said:
Wait, hold on, a monorail? Really? ssiguy2, is that something that could work here in Toronto?
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Doesn't he pander on and on just like Lyle Lanley did?
 
ssiguy2 said:
It is affordable, has a small foot print, can be built quickly and have subway capacity, and have small curve radiases to accomadate their thin windy roads so they choose Monorail.
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If it has subway capacity at a fraction of the price, then what possible reasons are there for all the other cities in the world that have and continue to build full subways?

Have they all really drunk the KoolAid of subway train builders?
 
Many large cities are beginning Monorail systems as they have become more advanced, safer, and much cheaper as the price of underground subways has soared................as Torontonians know with their $310,000,000 / km Spadina Ext.
 
quote-At one point LA has the US second largest trams system after Detroit until GM got a hold of it.
These large cities of Delhi, Mumbai, are three times the size of Toronto and growing at light speed. They have REAL transportation problems and would think Toronto as being nirvana-/quote


Chicago had the biggest. And they ripped it all out. Several thousand trolley cars, and they all went into the gutter...

Some asian cities are booming insanely. In just several years some have built systems bigger than the one that we have in toronto... some have added so much to them to surpass toronto in only a few years while starting from something little... and some are building metro systems at light speed - building several lines at once...




... we're primitive compared to them.
 
ssiguy2 said:
Many large cities are beginning Monorail systems as they have become more advanced, safer, and much cheaper as the price of underground subways has soared.
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I thought Monorail had previously been claimed to be long-time proven technology?

Why would any city even be considering subways in this day and age? Are so many cities and transportation planners/experts so clueless about Monorails having subway capacity at a fraction of the cost?
 
Having just ridden the Las Vegas monorail, I have to say I am not a fan. Among other problems, it's very shaky.
 
Since this is Canada, what we *really* need is a Minirail

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To Canoe Landing Park, of course. All on behalf of Douglas Coupland.
 
^ At least it would be faster than Transit City.
Actually Delhi has stated that most of it's new rapid transit systems will be Monorail as it is cheaper than elevated Metro but is cheaper, faster to build, and has a smaller foot print. Bangalore has just stated they will extend their Metro but the 30 km of new routes will be Monorail.
 
ssiguy2 said:
Bangalore has just stated they will extend their Metro but the 30 km of new routes will be Monorail.
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http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=694904

Post #7, all the way back in Sept 2008:

"Toronto is beggining next year on a $18 billionUS transit iniative with a new proposal for Greater Toronto of over 400km of new/improved commuter rail, 160km of LRT and 55km of new subway but now there is a growing movement for many of those LRT lines to be monorail. "

"Growing movement"? Seems to be more of a single person posting from BC.

And from post #10:

"While Metro rail has a capacity to carry 30,000 to 60,000 passengers during peak hours per direction, the monorail will carry 5,000 to 30,000 passengers per direction during peak hours."

I thought someone here claimed monorail provided the same capacity as metro but at a fraction of the price? Were they misleading us?
 
Actually even LRT hypothetically has subway capacity if totally grade separated like a subway..............it really just depends how long you want to make the trains/stations.

BTW more good Monorail news! Bahrain has just approved a 83 km Monorail system to be completed by 2030 and Saudi Arabia has just announced funding for its new 42km Monorail system which they hope to have completed by 2018. Also it looks like the Jakarta Monorail is back on track. They had tyyo stop construction due to financial problems with the developer and due to lack of funds from senior levels of government due to the high costs of rebuilding much of the infastructure destroyed by the tsunami that hit 5 years ago. Right now there are pylons along the street were it was to be built but no train track on top.
 
Monorail news just keeps getting better. Deagu is South Korea's 4th largest city with 2.5 million and has two Metro line one 27km and the other 23km . The new Line 3 is a Monorail using Hitachi vehicles and is the first major Monorail in S.K. It will be totally driver less and be 24km with 30 stations. Civil enginering has finished and construction has started! It is to completed by 2014
 
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