I'm trying to find a source on this but haven't yet (I believe you because there seem to have been a lot of data issues!)
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AlvinofDiaspar
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Northern Light
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On the importance of quality data.
German trials of Astra Zeneca show only a 6-8% efficacy rate for the vaccine among those over 65...........
.......but wait for it.
To be clear, this does not actually mean the vaccine is ineffective.
What it means is, that no reasonable conclusion can be drawn from the data set.
To read the entire thread, go here:
German trials of Astra Zeneca show only a 6-8% efficacy rate for the vaccine among those over 65...........
.......but wait for it.
To be clear, this does not actually mean the vaccine is ineffective.
What it means is, that no reasonable conclusion can be drawn from the data set.
To read the entire thread, go here:
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gabe
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This is one way to drive our Covid numbers back up! 
We had just three days under 2 thousand cases, and they are already sending kids back.
We had just three days under 2 thousand cases, and they are already sending kids back.afransen
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I think reducing harm to kids from remote learning is important. It is nowhere near as good as in-class instruction for young children. If those regions are at a low enough prevalence of infection having the kids return to school is a good idea.
gabe
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Kids aren't going to die learning at home. People die from Covid every single day. Our Covid numbers falling are because schools are shutdown.
AlvinofDiaspar
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There is a downside to the kids, but I am inclined to agree - especially when we know the province had done little to safeguard schools.
AoD
gabe
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Yes it's awful for the kids, but now we are dealing with these new Covid variants. If we had rapid testing in every school, like parts other US and other places in the world. We could be sending the kids back with minimal outbreaks. The NFL is doing rapid tests on football fans! 
www.ctvnews.ca
Montreal is testing out the rapid test system at two schools.
Rapid testing in Canada lagging behind as U.S. embraces the technology
While medical experts and Health Canada agree that rapid testing plays an important role in the fight against COVID-19, self-administered rapid tests have yet to see approval and clinical rapid testing is lagging behind.
www.ctvnews.ca
Montreal is testing out the rapid test system at two schools.
Rapid COVID-19 testing to begin in two Montreal high schools Monday
Students and staff at two Montreal high schools will soon be part of a rapid COVID-19 testing pilot project. The goal is 'to be able to find those that are COVID-positive and remove them from the chain of transmission,' said a lead researcher in the project
montreal.ctvnews.ca
afransen
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Loss of educational attainment has permanent effects on the future well-being of those children. How many children's futures are we willing to sacrifice to save each life?
AlvinofDiaspar
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Future life trajectory is not deterministic; death is deterministic - there is no life trajectory to be had once that occurs.
AoD
And educational attainment can happen in many ways, not just in traditional public school settings.
AlvinofDiaspar
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No kidding - and the future well-being of any individual is determined by so many variables, of which education is but one factor. We don't even bother to try and address a good amount of the rest of these variables via public policy choices on a good day when there are no other lives at stake.
AoD
afransen
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Okay, so we'll cross our fingers and hope the kids are okay, despite the statistical reality that some will be harmed.
Northern Light
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We need to discuss more than transmission.
Transmission amongst otherwise healthy people, who by and large are resistant to the most serious outcomes of Covid, is not the same as deaths and serious negative outcomes.
That is not say that they don't overlap in some fashion.
But we need to get the goal straight. The goal is not avoidance of the spread of Covid for its own sake.
Not when it really has cost, hundreds if not thousands of lives in deferred cancer diagnosis and treatment and the same for cardiac and other serious conditions.
I'm not arguing for lesser or no restrictions, nor suggesting there isn't some relationship between spread and bad outcomes, self-evidently there is.
Rather, I do think we need to focus on the important results.
At the same time we can't ignore the negatives or secondary effects of the mitigation strategies we employ.
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It does strike me that some people who don't have children, can work from home; and have a healthy, stable income to boot; manage to be rather dismissive of those whose circumstances are far less ideal.
Including homes with no internet or very poor internet, no computer, no cell phone just for the kids, nor any privacy because of a large household in small apartment, (think about being in a household of 6 in a 2 bedroom apartment......where are you watching your teacher from, assuming you have a computer? What if there are 3 or more school aged children in the home? How many computers do you need? How much bandwidth? )
What if your parents can't afford not to work, and you're home unsupervised, even at a young age?
Its rather more complex and challenging that people make out.
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gabe
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The kids have survived this long, another few months won't make a difference. I haven't seen any mass protests in the streets complaining about school restrictions.