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The kids have survived this long, another few months won't make a difference. I haven't seen any mass protests in the streets complaining about school restrictions.

Of course, you probably haven't noticed mass protests about all the people who are dying or whose relatives have died due to being denied timely medical care.

So in fairness, maybe the number of mass protests should not be the barometer of good public policy, particularly in the midst of a pandemic.
 
Back to the facts now: Really interesting graphic on ICU utilization from TVO

It shows hospitals by region, how acute their ICU bed shortage is or is not; and the proportion of those ICU beds occupied by Covid patients.

Some interesting observations can be inferred; areas where Covid is more of a problem; and less so; but also areas which have more abundant ICU capacity, and others that are clearly short; with or without Covid:

****Data as at January 24th

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From this excellent piece: https://www.tvo.org/article/heres-the-latest-covid-19-modelling-for-ontario-0
 
And educational attainment can happen in many ways, not just in traditional public school settings.

Right, and proper socialisation can also happen in many ways, not just in settings where kids are allowed to interact.

Wait......
 
Kids are socializing outside of school. They aren’t locked in their houses. Neighbour kid went to play hockey the other day. I see kids out playing, skating, exploring trails etc. Bonus with nature walks is the learning that can accompany said walk.
 
Kids aren't going to die learning at home. People die from Covid every single day. Our Covid numbers falling are because schools are shutdown.
Actually, some kids might, but they're anomalous, so let's not bother.

It's not about kids dying....it's about the long-term negative consequences to these kids and to all of society that could potentially make this pandemic look like a joke.
And guess what! Only some people will die from viral infection, regardless of how many people are infected....a good proportion of whom were already on their last legs/breeaths before the pandemic.
But destroying the potential of an entire generation of people yet to live a productive and meaningful life?
That's criminal.

I know you don't care. You don't have kids.
I don't have kids either. I'm just willing to make sacrifices based on a determination of harm made using a moral standard that doesn't involve my self-interest.....which is probably something that our governments and people like you should be doing.


I know it's hard for some of us who are stuck in the depths of our flight-fight lizard brain stress response to think past tomorrow. I get it. I studied a bit of psychology. It's basic brain wiring. No one's fault.
But we don't need to take down civilisation because some people mistook a respiratory virus of middling danger for 28 Days Later. (By the way, if THAT ever comes to pass, I know which of you are not allowed anywhere near me because you'll just take me down with)


Let's review our panic pandemic panic response:

We panic. Closed everything. Ruined immeasurable small businesses. Threw a tonne of money around inefficiently. Kneecapped the generation that will have to deal with the debts and problems incurred. Called that reasonable.

"Big apes" is about right.
 
Kids are socializing outside of school.
Socialising with who?
We're not supposed to be socialising.

I should go tell my siblings' kids to shut up and quit moaning about their friends, classmates, and teachers that they miss. Shut up and go outside, you little runts. Don't know how good you have it!

You're right though....my one niece has named all her plushies after her mates and teachers from daycare so she's still able to socialise with them and develop healthy social and emotional habits talking to inanimate objects.


They aren’t locked in their houses.
No, they aren't, but that's besides the point entirely when we're told to not socialise and to stay away from each other and when the main forum for their socialisation is indeed locked. They're not locked in, they're locked out.
 
No kidding - and the future well-being of any individual is determined by so many variables, of which education is but one factor.
Yeah, like proper socialisation at certain ages.

We don't even bother to try and address a good amount of the rest of these variables via public policy choices on a good day when there are no other lives at stake.

AoD

Which makes it perfectly reasonable to make things even worse now. Right.

Of course, reason left the deliberations last spring so no surprise there.
 
Socialising with who?
We're not supposed to be socialising.

I should go tell my siblings' kids to shut up and quit moaning about their friends, classmates, and teachers that they miss. Shut up and go outside, you little runts. Don't know how good you have it!

You're right though....my one niece has named all her plushies after her mates and teachers from daycare so she's still able to socialise with them and develop healthy social and emotional habits talking to inanimate objects.



No, they aren't, but that's besides the point entirely when we're told to not socialise and to stay away from each other and when the main forum for their socialisation is indeed locked. They're not locked in, they're locked out.
Kids in my neighborhood are socializing with each other. They are outside playing together because parents know it’s important and outdoor transmission risk is minimal.
The pre-school littles can be in daycare.

the children I see are getting way more socialization than the adults I see
 
We need to discuss more than transmission.

Transmission amongst otherwise healthy people, who by and large are resistant to the most serious outcomes of Covid, is not the same as deaths and serious negative outcomes.
Shhhh....that's a secret!


That is not say that they don't overlap in some fashion.


But we need to get the goal straight. The goal is not avoidance of the spread of Covid for its own sake.

Not when it really has cost, hundreds if not thousands of lives in deferred cancer diagnosis and treatment and the same for cardiac and other serious conditions.

The very reasonable response to this or any other crisis of this nature is to find a balance between competing and divergent interests and rights. We have utterly failed at this and the consequences are going to be tough.

It does strike me that some people who don't have children, can work from home; and have a healthy, stable income to boot; manage to be rather dismissive of those whose circumstances are far less ideal.
Selfishness comes to mind....but of course, that term is reserved for those who think that a reasonable balance to competing interests and rights is desirable.

One of my colleagues hasn't been at work since September because his wifey is a teacher with special needs kids and has been at work the entire time and is still at work. He can't work because every day almost one of his kids would be sent home because of snot or an outbreak.

I've lost my job because building permits weren't being processed last spring! though it's a bunch of office workers doing the processing that can be done from anywhere. Instead, they shut down in a panic.

I can't work on this thing.....all I can do on it is admonish the selfish people out there who think the future generation is expendable so long as they don't catch a sore throat.
Luckily for you lot, I'm happy to do this with no recompense beyond EI payments and my cash stash at the bank. ;)


I've rather found that those least affected by the restrictions are those clamouring for them the most.
 
Kids in my neighborhood are socializing with each other. They are outside playing together because parents know it’s important and outdoor transmission risk is minimal.
So, then I'm ok to go "play" with my mates? Or is some cop going to be asking us if we're in the same household and writing us fines?

The pre-school littles can be in daycare.
Daycare's closed. She does ask to be driven by it when they're in the car though, so I guess that counts.

the children I see are getting way more socialization than the adults I see
Yeah, I believe that.....I'm getting about as much socialisation as inmates in prison.
 
And re: socialisation is a go: one of my nieces isn't allowed to see her bestie because her bestie's mum has taught this little child that they must stay away from people because big bad disease!

What's this little child going to grow up to be like after this? Take a guess......you have one guess.


That's just one child with one ridiculous mother. How many other people out there are messing their children up with this sort of nonsense? How many people are messing their own heads up?

*shakes head in disappointment*

Man, I thought I was a humanist but stuff like this.......
 

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