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So the State of New York is only recognizing full vaccination with FDA approved vaccines, so that leaves those of us who are fully vaccinated with AZ (or anything else) in the lurch. A whole lot of British people are fully vaccinated with AZ. This could make for an interesting travel / tourist experience. At least I can plan a trip to England! https://www.jujamcyn.com/springsteenfaq/#covid19
 
PinkLucy said:
So the State of New York is only recognizing full vaccination with FDA approved vaccines, so that leaves those of us who are fully vaccinated with AZ (or anything else) in the lurch. A whole lot of British people are fully vaccinated with AZ. This could make for an interesting travel / tourist experience. At least I can plan a trip to England! https://www.jujamcyn.com/springsteenfaq/#covid19
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This is why it pays to do research before being vaccinated.

As I said to my mother last night, Pfizer and Moderna are the only guarantees when it comes to travel. Even Europe is only recognizing certain vaccines. In all cases Pfizer is recognized globally.

I knew from the getgo that AZ was going to be problematic, no doubt J&J among others will be too.
 
Nice shaming there as well as an unfounded assumption regarding research. 3 months ago, we were being urged to get whatever we could when we could, which thousands of people did in good faith. And at that time, all research indicated that it was an excellent choice.
 
Do NOT get the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine.

China's COVID-19 vaccines are being called into question after infections surged in countries using Chinese shots​

From link.

By March, the Seychelles was one of the world's most vaccinated countries. With more than half of its population fully inoculated against COVID-19, the island nation off Africa was outpacing even Israel.

This speedy rollout was largely thanks to China — imports of its Sinopharm shot made up 57% of all doses delivered there.

So when the Seychelles saw a sharp rise in virus cases in mid-May, despite some 60% of the population being fully vaccinated, that came as a surprise.

Later the surprise deepened as health officials confirmed, on May 10, that more than a third of Seychelles residents to fall sick had indeed already gotten their vaccines.

Since then, more countries that use Chinese vaccines have been seeing rises in cases, prompting a reckoning for China as experts reassess the effectiveness of its widespread shots.
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Vaccines exported to 95 countries worldwide ​

While Europe and the US were hoarding the Western-made AstraZeneca, Moderna, and Pfizer vaccines, China distributed its jabs widely. It was a lifeline for lower-income countries that had little hope of securing American or European jabs.

China's two flagship vaccines, made by the biotech companies Sinovac and Sinopharm, quickly became a soft-power tool in China's foreign policy.

According to the Beijing-based Bridge consultancy, 95 countries have received doses of the Chinese vaccines. Out of almost 800 million doses promised by China, 272 million had been delivered as of mid-June.
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It is not only the Seychelles. Two other countries that are highly vaccinated and rely heavily on the Sinopharm BBIBP vaccine — Bahrain and Mongolia — have also seen spikes in cases.

Both countries have said they still trust the vaccines. Bahrain's undersecretary of health said that more than 90% of those hospitalized there were not vaccinated.

A policy advisor to the Mongolian government told The Telegraph that the spike in cases was due to the end of a lockdown, not problems with the vaccine.

Nonetheless, some are looking to limit exposure to the Chinese shots. Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, another early adopter of Sinopharm, have started offering the option of a Pfizer booster shot to those who had been fully vaccinated with the Sinopharm vaccine.

China's other flagship vaccine, Sinovac's CoronaVac jab, is also being closely scrutinized.

Santiago, the capital of Chile, imposed another lockdown on Saturday, as cases rise sharply there in spite of almost 60% of the country being fully immunized. Chile's vaccination program uses mostly Sinovac shots.

Variants probably have a role to play in the surge, Dr. Susan Bueno, a professor of immunology from the Pontifical Catholic University, previously told the BBC. Even so, variants are present in Western nations without so pronounced an effect.
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The vaccines are protective against severe disease but maybe not against infection and mild disease​

"You really need to use high-efficacy vaccines to get that economic benefit because otherwise they're going to be living with the disease long term," Raina MacIntyre, head of the biosecurity program at the Kirby Institute of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, told The New York Times.

"The choice of vaccine matters."

If the vaccine is not protective against transmission of the virus, the countries might not be able to reach the elusive state of herd immunity, when enough people in the population are protected to stop the virus from spreading.

Israel seems to have recently passed that threshold. Earlier this month, when 60% of the country's population was fully vaccinated, cases dropped to about 15 a day and are now hovering around zero. Israel used Western shots.

An expert previously told Insider that Israel's example suggests that other countries can reach herd immunity with a similar level of immunization.

Whereas Moderna and Pfizer shots are based on new mRNA technology, Sinovac and Sinopharm's vaccines use an inactivated virus. This is an older vaccine technology, used successfully in other diseases for decades.

Both Chinese shots have been given emergency-use authorization by the WHO within the past six weeks.

According to published data, Sinopharm's vaccine is 79% effective at stopping symptomatic COVID-19. But there are caveats to that study, as it is based on a cohort of people under 60, mostly men, and on average pretty young, around 31 years old. Most serious COVID-19 cases are in far older people.

Looking at the data from the Seychelles, the vaccine expert Dr. Kim Mulholland told The New York Times that the Sinopharm vaccine's efficacy was closer to about 50%.

This would be consistent with the protection seen with the Sinovac vaccine. The WHO says this shot offers 50.6% efficacy against symptomatic disease, based on data from a large study in Brazil.

By comparison, Pfizer and Moderna shots confer over 90% protection.

China does not hide that its vaccines probably don't give comprehensive protection from COVID-19.

In an interview with state-owned Chinese National Business Daily published on June 7, Shao Yiming, a Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention expert, said the Chinese vaccines available in China are designed to prevent severe illness, not all infections.

Nonetheless, China has been aggressive with media outlets that have highlighted concerns about Chinese vaccines overseas.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hua Chunying said such reporting "exposes their unhealthy mind-set of denigrating China at every turn," The Wall Street Journal reported.
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PinkLucy said:
Nice shaming there as well as an unfounded assumption regarding research. 3 months ago, we were being urged to get whatever we could when we could, which thousands of people did in good faith. And at that time, all research indicated that it was an excellent choice.
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I can't imagine AZ won't be generally accepted soon - given the FDA approval issue has to do with safety/side effects, not efficacy.

AoD
 
370 new cases, 1.3% positivity.

Hospitilzations are now sub-400 (397, a decrease of 41 from yesterday)
ICU down 15 to 362
Vents at 232 is down 10

On vaccinations:

18+ (adults) 75.38% 1st dose (an increase of .23 from yesterday)
" 19.52% 2nd dose (an increase of 1.41 from yesterday)

On a Global scale (as per the NYT vaccination tracker)

Canada now #17 in doses per person globally. #2 in 1st doses.
 
PinkLucy said:
Nice shaming there. 3 months ago, we were being urged to get whatever we could when we could, which thousands of people did in good faith.
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It was not directed at you specifically Lucy.

I am just saying the messaging was flawed from the get go. I get why they worded it such as they did but they should have slapped a disclaimer on there along the lines of *not all countries recognize every vaccine, do your research before deciding what vaccine is best for you*.

Now you will have alot of people including business travelers who will need to get 2 more doses of mRNA vaccines before travelling to certain parts of the world.
 
Richard White said:
It was not directed at you specifically Lucy.

I am just saying the messaging was flawed from the get go. I get why they worded it such as they did but they should have slapped a disclaimer on there along the lines of *not all countries recognize every vaccine, do your research before deciding what vaccine is best for you*.

Now you will have a lot of people including business travelers who will need to get 2 more doses of mRNA vaccines before travelling to certain parts of the world.
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You (again) seem to think that more science and more evidence may (and SHOULD) not change the advice given by scientists. In this case there is nothing wrong with AZ, it works but it appears to have (slightly) more side-effects that Pfizer and Moderna. As @AlvinofDiaspar notes above, there is no reason to think that the US will not approve it as being a 'valid vaccine' even if they do not recommend it (due to side effects.)
 
DSC said:
You (again) seem to think that more science and more evidence may (and SHOULD) not change the advice given by scientists. In this case there is nothing wrong with AZ, it works but it appears to have (slightly) more side-effects that Pfizer and Moderna. As @AlvinofDiaspar notes above, there is no reason to think that the US will not approve it as being a 'valid vaccine' even if they do not recommend it (due to side effects.)
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Also the US didn't experience pressure to approve AZ given they have an ample supply of Pfizer - if they hadn't, I am sure they would had recommended it for use even with the slightly higher risk profile.

Also as @PinkLucy said, most of UK used AZ, and I can't imagine them inconveniencing travellers from there on this basis as things roepen.

AoD
 
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